I mean, their use of 'THEN' rather than 'THAN' indicates that they'll soon adopt the socialist agenda, so there's still hope!
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That fellow clearly just wants to become a heavily radical leftist, so he wants to maximize the jump he makes on the spectrum! Good on him!
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Exactly! They've got it all planned out!
This is just basic psychology. It takes a long time to change someone's political beliefs, and it isn't effective to just argue with people, even with facts. Interestingly, one way to get people to change their opinion is to frame things in terms of how it affects them and their family.
Also: One conversation might not change someone completely but it can be part of a process. Be happy when people open up and don't try to convince everyone at once. Leave them with a good feeling, that will be more effective than having all the facts right and be angry with them. They will more likely think about it and change their view eventually (looking at you Alex, the first vegan I ever met and who left me with a good impression)
Exactly, and to anyone reading this: the absolute DUMBEST most useless form of communication is insulting someone you don't agree with. I see it way too much here to be honest. All that does is make you feel better (masturbation) while it makes the recipient more defensive, less inclined to listen, and it reenforces their beliefs that the "opposite side" is just full of angry ignorant people.
If the purpose of your attempt at communication was actual communication and understanding then insulting someone is completely antithetical to that.
It seems best to facilitate people's ability to change on their own. Plant seeds of cognitive dissonance and walk away.
You think cognitive dissonance is a bug that they would take to realize they are wrong. But it is a core feature of far right ideologies
I think you're right for a large segment, but I'm convinced that there are people with some brains and heart that just happen to be surrounded by right wing ideologies and unexposed to and given misinformation about ideas outside their bubble.
Yeah but usually people aren't this self aware
I always had the weird thought that maybe conservatives could be convinced into reason if socialistic ideals were reframed to "sound" more conservative. Sadly I suck at anything relating to politics so eh.
Not just a thought, these people don't think through their political beliefs (to be fair many people don't, but most others don't make it a core part of themselves either), it's mostly just aesthetics for them.
Aesthetics or athletics, they see it as a team sport too lol Gotta support the reds even if they really really suck this... Century.
Meanwhile people still saying they’d rather be intubated than having taken a vaccine, cursing it with their last breath. Repeated story countless times in hundreds of hospitals
Meanwhile people still saying they’d rather be intubated than having taken a vaccine
I only wish they get what they ask for.
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The elephant and the rider
This picture sums it up pretty well too.
Where in the US is there socialist agenda?
Our choices are either a stripped rights corporatacracy or full on fascism.
Yes but these people think nancy pelosi is a socialist.
Ok genuinely This has to be satire
Please I beg
*than
Unless you meant that all conservatists gladly convert to socialist views once confronted with true information.
That one word changes the meaning of the meme drastically. ;)
The core values of libertarianism: (god I wish I saved the original reddit comment, oh well I'll paraphrase)
"Yes it's fascist pseudoscience with no basis in reality, however it's still a useful theory so I'm going to continue to believe it"
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This has to be satire, right?
Poe's law: on the internet, it's nearly impossible to tell.
This but unironically
I've seen it enough that it could be a meme or it could be a disturbing trend.
I really doubt it. Have you seen reality? I wish the whole thing was satire.
even if this specific example were, the law of large numbers means there's a very high likelihood that at least one person really holds this attitude.
I think you said the unspoken part out loud.
Marxist Leninists when they haven't ignored 150 years of contemporary political science for sixteen microseconds
Which parts exactly?
Mostly the parts where autocracy doesn't liberate the workers. Even temporarily.
Every time I start to listen and learn from people more left than I am, they get to the part about how after revolution there's probably going to be a period of autocratic rule that should then dissolve by the will of the people. Except none of them talk about plans to actually facilitate the transfer of power, or better yet, prove Lenin wrong by not going thru a period of more authoritarianism.
And "communism has never been tried" is such a stupid word game.
They tried to try. What happened, fellas? How'd it go?
If anything, communism has been tried, but it's never been achieved. A stateless, classless, currencyless society still sounds frickin awesome... But that's not we've had :(
Right, the massive gap in Marxist theory is, and has always been, workable statecraft.
...As told to you by bourgeois funded academics
ah yes, the famous "autocracy of the proletariat"
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