This is just basic psychology. It takes a long time to change someone's political beliefs, and it isn't effective to just argue with people, even with facts. Interestingly, one way to get people to change their opinion is to frame things in terms of how it affects them and their family.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 11 points 10 months ago

Also: One conversation might not change someone completely but it can be part of a process. Be happy when people open up and don't try to convince everyone at once. Leave them with a good feeling, that will be more effective than having all the facts right and be angry with them. They will more likely think about it and change their view eventually (looking at you Alex, the first vegan I ever met and who left me with a good impression)

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 9 points 10 months ago

Exactly, and to anyone reading this: the absolute DUMBEST most useless form of communication is insulting someone you don't agree with. I see it way too much here to be honest. All that does is make you feel better (masturbation) while it makes the recipient more defensive, less inclined to listen, and it reenforces their beliefs that the "opposite side" is just full of angry ignorant people.

If the purpose of your attempt at communication was actual communication and understanding then insulting someone is completely antithetical to that.

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It seems best to facilitate people's ability to change on their own. Plant seeds of cognitive dissonance and walk away.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You think cognitive dissonance is a bug that they would take to realize they are wrong. But it is a core feature of far right ideologies

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

I think you're right for a large segment, but I'm convinced that there are people with some brains and heart that just happen to be surrounded by right wing ideologies and unexposed to and given misinformation about ideas outside their bubble.

[–] Jorgelino@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

Yeah but usually people aren't this self aware

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Meanwhile people still saying they’d rather be intubated than having taken a vaccine, cursing it with their last breath. Repeated story countless times in hundreds of hospitals

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Meanwhile people still saying they’d rather be intubated than having taken a vaccine

I only wish they get what they ask for.

[–] Perfide@reddthat.com 0 points 10 months ago

I don't. Fuck intubating them, fuck admitting them to the hospital at all, that's room that could go to treating someone not dying from the consequences of their own actions.

[–] glennglog22@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I always had the weird thought that maybe conservatives could be convinced into reason if socialistic ideals were reframed to "sound" more conservative. Sadly I suck at anything relating to politics so eh.

[–] shani66@lemmy.comfysnug.space 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not just a thought, these people don't think through their political beliefs (to be fair many people don't, but most others don't make it a core part of themselves either), it's mostly just aesthetics for them.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 1 points 10 months ago

Aesthetics or athletics, they see it as a team sport too lol Gotta support the reds even if they really really suck this... Century.

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

The elephant and the rider