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I have a set of 3 Bra Premiere non-stick frying pans that I've used for a while. The coating on them says "Teflon Innovations without PFOA". Recently I've noticed that on the most used pan, the 26cm one, the Teflon coating has started to peel off.

I know that Teflon coatings can release harmful fumes and chemicals if overheated, but what about if the coating is physically peeling? Is it still safe to cook with them? Or should I stop using especially the 26cm one? I don't want to keep exposing my family to anything dangerous unknowingly. Any advice if these types of pans are still safe to cook with if the nonstick surface is peeling would be appreciated!

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[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 56 points 11 months ago (22 children)

First of all, if you're going to buy a fancy expensive non-stick pan, spend the money and buy non-metal utensils to use with it.

Second, if you want to keep using metal utensils, buy anodized aluminum. It's not perfectly non-stick, but it's close and it can take a beating.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

We got a set of stainless pots and pans last year and as long as you heat the pan before you put food in it, I've had less sticking than in my old non stick pans.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

First of all, if you’re going to buy a fancy expensive non-stick pan, ~~spend the money and buy non-metal utensils to use with it.~~ don't.

FTFY. Expensive non-stick has no practical benefit over cheap non-stick. They all wear out in the same amount of time regardless of price, so you might as well buy the cheap stuff so you don't feel as bad when it's time to throw it out.

Otherwise, I'd prefer tri-ply stainless clad aluminum to anodized.

[–] rishado@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In the pan itself sure, but there's a lot of difference in the handle & weight between cheap and fancy though. All of my cheap ass nonsticks have had the plastic handles fall off before they start peeling

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago (13 children)

Do you want to eat teflon? 'Cause that's how you end up eating teflon.

In theory, the teflon should continue to be inert as it passes through your digestive tract, but don't do that. It's time to throw out the pan.


Related advice: non-stick is overrated to begin with. Replace all your nonstick pans with tri-ply stainless clad aluminum, cast iron (enameled or not), carbon steel, etc..

If you insist on having a teflon pan, recognize it for the semi-disposable item it is: get the cheapest one you can find, use it only for things that really need it (e.g. eggs), and accept that you're going to be throwing it out and replacing it every couple of years.

[–] Squiddles@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't even think you need one for eggs necessarily. I switched from PTFE nonstick to all metal (stainless/carbon steel and cast iron) a few years back. Eggs were no problem once I figured out heat control. I cook scrambled eggs and omelettes every week with no sticking.

I did eventually get a ceramic nonstick for making soft tofu in a sticky sauce. Definitely don't try that in a stainless steel pan. It worked okay in the carbon steel wok, but was obnoxious to clean.

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[–] Alimentar@lemm.ee 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've looked into this when buying pans, I'd say it's still unsafe. Apparently in 2013 they changed their formulation so the chemicals aren't toxic and if ingested it's inert so it doesn't affect you at all.

With all that, I still don't trust non-stick and bought myself a stainless steel pan and I love it. It's easy to maintain and when cooking properly most things don't really stick either.

[–] falcunculus@jlai.lu 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Would you have resources or advice about cooking properly on a stainless steel pan ?

[–] Alimentar@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Preheat the empty pan. You'll know it's hot enough when you throw water droplets on and it beads and dances around. Depending on the pan and situation, they're pretty sensitive to heat so youd mainly cook on a low or medium.

Then use a good amount of oil and/or butter. I've even cooked eggs without much hassle.

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[–] mirror_slap@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

No, it's toxic. Replace it with carbon steel, stainless steel, or cast iron.

[–] amio@kbin.social 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What did you do to the poor thing? Looks like you've been stabbing it with a fork 24/7 for years. Toss it, and be (a lot) more careful with the next one - or skip nonstick entirely. They already have a finite lifetime when not abused, and if you manage to ruin the coat in one spot that's a hotspot for "scaling off" more.

Stainless steel can take a beating, though, go nuts.

[–] Terevos@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Cast iron is non-stick and so much easier to clean

[–] amio@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Cast iron is nice, I recommended stainless because I assume someone who treats pans like this would ruin cast iron too.

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[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Unless of course you want to use a dishwasher. Even manually it really isn't 'so much easier to clean' and you have to spend time seasoning it.

[–] KrummsHairyBalls@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Once you season cast iron you can clean it however you want. Even with soap. The oils you bake on there at such high heat causes polymerization.

You don't have to continue to season cast iron after cleaning it, unless you're cleaning it with a fucking angle grinder.

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[–] KingOfNexus@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My girlfriend is a materials scientist specialising in non-stick coatings.

The first time she came to my house, I had to throw away all teflon with even a scratch on it. She said once the surface is broken it will leach chemicals into your food.

She said they are perfectly safe whilst the coating is in tact and uses non-stick pans herself. Just replace them as soon as you notice the surface is broken.

[–] Doxin@yiffit.net 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just replace them as soon as you notice the surface is broken.

So like twice a month?

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Don't use metal on your pans maybe?

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

My stainless steel cookware set has worked better and lasted longer than every non-stick pan I have ever owned.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Ugh... I've tried this route... I really have, but shit like eggs sticking like a mother fucker is just too annoying. Unless you drench the pan in oil.

I've switched to ceramic non-stick, I'm sure it's not perfect either but you gotta make compromises.

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[–] sploosh@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Did you know that if you use Teflon pans in a house with pet birds they might die from the fumes? Since we historically used canaries to detect dangerous gasses in coal mines, might we take that as an indication that Teflon pans should not be used at all?

The scratched ones are bad and should not be used. Going forward you should ditch all your nonstick pans and buy cast iron or stainless steel.

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[–] Donebrach@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Replace ‘em. Get either cast iron or stainless steel, once both are seasoned properly they are just as non-stick as teflon pans and much more durable. Lodge cast iron pans are like $20 and are super easy to take care of if you cook frequently.

[–] LilB0kChoy@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

I don’t think stainless steal seasons. Maybe you’re thinking of carbon steel?

Stainless is great to cook with but you have to wait for the pans to come to temp before adding food

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Safe" is a relative term. Is it going to set your house on fire? No. Is it going to release harmful gasses while you cook and leech toxic metals into your food and slowly poison you? Yeah, probably. But, like, how old are you? Maybe you're like 98 years old and don't have that much longer to live anyway.

Fuck's smatterchew? Throw that shit out and get a new pan. Damn.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (10 children)

once you go cast iron you never go back

[–] TheNumberOfGeese@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
  • Cast iron = brilliant and last forever
  • Stainless steel = brilliant and last for ages
  • Carbon steel = brilliant and last for ages (but expensive)

Cooking on plastic doesn't feel right. Even if it's perfectly safe, I'm happy to stick with any of the above and not cause excess waste by having to throw out pans when they scratch.

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[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)
  1. Don’t heat a non-stick on high, like ever. Medium is as high as they can take.

  2. Use silicon utensils.

We had issues until we stopped doing #1. The cheap non-stick Tfals we have now have lasted 10+ years. The old expensive ones didn’t make it past the first few.

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 months ago

*silicone. You wouldn't want silicon utensils.

[–] 404@lemmy.zip 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)
  1. Chunks of teflon are getting in your food
  2. The aluminium underneath, which was protected by the teflon, is getting into your food (especially true with acidic foods, since they will react with aluminium and erode it).
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[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 10 points 11 months ago

why does it look like a very old whale who's battled hundreds of squids? Ever hear of wood or silicone utensils?

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (12 children)

I stopped using non stick pots/pans completely. PFOS or whatever other fucked up, deadly, untested chemicals can get out of my life forever. We may think they're safe but do we really know? "They" told us the original teflon was safe and look at how that turned out.

I now have an induction range and only use cast iron and stainless steel. Yes, I sometimes have to scrub or soak my pans but I believe me and mine will live longer and healthier.

Cast iron does make better tasting food, IMHO. Takes some getting used to and more work to clean but I think it's worth it.

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[–] Chozo@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (12 children)

There's a couple misconceptions in this thread.

Yes, Teflon can release some gasses if overheated, but it's not likely going to cause you any real harm. As long as you're turning on the range hood while you cook, it's basically a non-issue. Teflon really only releases fumes at very high temperatures (usually over 500F), and foods that are being cooked at that high heat aren't really going to be needing a non-stick coating to begin with, so you'd ideally want to use a different type of pan for foods cooked at very high heat in the first place.

If you really huff the fumes intentionally, you might give yourself a headache/fever (look up "Teflon flu" for more), but it's not likely gonna kill you. However, some pets may be more susceptible to Teflon fumes, particularly birds, who can very easily die from Teflon fumes, so be cautious if you have any animals in your home.

As for the aluminum underneath, that's also largely a non-issue. Aluminum is safe to cook with in most applications. It's even relatively safe to consume, and it's actually used in many common medicines (like aspirin and antacids) and also as a food additive in some cases. There's a reason why acidic foods like tomatoes and pineapples are canned in aluminum; because it's safe to do so. If a little aluminum from the can/pan leeches out into the food, it's not a big deal as it'll pass through you unnoticed. It's only really a concern if you already have issues with high amounts of metal consumption in your diet. Some people believe that aluminum can cause or accelerate certain conditions like Alzheimer's, however I believe those studies have been mostly inconclusive, last time I looked into it.

The bigger issue is that you risk getting chunks of the Teflon coating breaking off of the pan and getting into your food. While it'll pass through you mostly harmlessly, it's still not ideal. And it's just gross.

I'd recommend tossing that pan and getting a new one and only using it for low/medium-high temps, as well as picking up a stainless steel pan (assuming you don't have any metal allergies), and use that for things that need more heat to cook.

Also, be gentler with your pans, in general. It looks like you've been sticking a fork or some other metal utensil in there, which is a bad idea. If you're using a metal spatula or something, stop that; just use plastic/rubber/wood on your non-stick items. If you're hand-washing it, just use a sponge or a soft brush, but don't use anything abrasive like steel wool or those sponges with the "hard" side for grease and grime, as those can also rapidly degrade the Teflon coating.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Someone who tells you Teflon is fine should absolutely not be believed. Doesn't matter if their wall of text might sound convincing

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[–] 0Xero0@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, it's not safe to keep using nonstick pans that are peeling, but people still use them anyway.

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[–] YottaDren@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

ATK just did a short video on this. It's probably not as detailed as you might want but here you go. I believe Teflon is used because it is so innocuous, but the chemicals used underneath to make it stick are very bad for you. https://youtu.be/2RJkIPT-jLs?si=w0X3lpQK9tnaMmbA

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Even bran new nonstick pans are horrible ideas. Don't use them. Get cast iron.

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[–] Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Throw that shit away ang get an All Clad everyday pan or Staub or something. There will be tons of sales and getting proper cooking equipment is worth the investment

[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Depends, do you think eating lead is safe?

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