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[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 120 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Strap 20 sd card with 1TB capacity each. Send the pidgeon to a neighboring city, 2 hours flight time.

Bandwidth: 2.78 GB/s (assuming no wild hawks in the area)

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 75 points 1 year ago

"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway."

[–] doubletandard@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Not until I use my... dragnet

[–] whereBeWaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When "packet loss" occurs:

This little maneuver is gonna cost us 51 years

[–] BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You are forgetting the time it takes to copy the data to and from these cards. Data may be transported, but it is not usable until you copy it. Copying 20 TiB is probaply going to take some time

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fastest SD card has ~300MB/s read speed and ~250MB/s write speed. Assuming you can write to those cards in parallel, that means you'll need an additional one hour to write the data to the SD cards and another one hour to read them back. So 4 hours in total which halves the data rates to 1.39 GB/s.

That's assuming the card can actually sustain ~250MB/s write speed during the full 1TB copy. It probably can if the card is freshly formatted but I haven't actually tested it myself.

[–] BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

That's still very fast

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

you have the same problem with downloads though. In the end any download rate exceeding your disc write speed doesnt get you there faster.

ofc. you can write as you download, which makes things faster.

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

MicroSD cards are better, here. They're 250mg; a pigeon can transport 75g. That's 300 microSD cards, ignoring the weight of the SD card enclosure.

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[–] Senseless@feddit.de 90 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

When Baldur's Gate 3 came out our group of friends wanted to start a game together. Since one of our friends, living about a kilometer away, has shitty internet it was faster for me to download the game myself, copy it to a USB stick, have it driven over by another friend, copy it onto the friends PC and verify file integrity than downloading it.

German internet in a nutshell.

So yeah, IPoAC would've it's purpose.

[–] fl42v@lemmy.ml 75 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] topinambour_rex@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For render the first picture of a black hole a couple of uear ago, the data transfer was done through hdds transported by a plane, than a data transfer through Internet, because the former was so much faster.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/289423-it-took-half-a-ton-of-hard-drives-to-store-eht-black-hole-image-data

[–] iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a real quote, from the 80s, published in a networking textbook.

It's amusing, but it's always been a serious and occasionally practical observation.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

German internet in a nutshell.

At least you got better healthcare.

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Senseless@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it a German reaction to think: Hey, 50MBit is not that bad?

[–] Zunon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I still remember when 150KiB/s was what we had as a child. It was very usable for the small amounts of data we needed back then.

[–] Zunon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Seeing it written as MBit/s feels so wrong to me, I read it as MB/s at first then I realized it's Mb/s.

[–] stingpie@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm assuming English isn't your first language, but "IPoAC would've it's purpose" is grammatically awkward. "Would've" doesn't really work for possession. Instead you can use "would have," but people would typically say "IPoAC has it's purpose"

[–] Senseless@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the clarification. You're right, English isn't my first language.

I'm a bit confused by your sentence:

""Would've" me doesn't really work fur possession. Instead you can use "would have""

That's the same thing, isn't it? My idea with using "would've" was that IPoAC would have it's purpose, if it was a thing. I'm missing the descriptive word in either language right now.

[–] stingpie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The word "have" is used in two different ways. One way is to own or hold something, so if I'm holding a pencil, I have it. But another way is as a way so signal different tenses (as in grammatical tense) so you can say "I shouldn't have done it" or "they have tried it before." The contraction "'ve" is only used for tense, but not to own something. So, the phrase "they've it" is grammatically incorrect.

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

IPoAC is a joke about printing actual IP packets, sending them by pigeon, then scanning them.

You do the whole usual TCP ACK/SYN thing, but with pigeons.

It's not the same as 'sneakernet, but strapping microsd cards to a pigeon'. It's way, way sillier.

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[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

But also super high throughput.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The protocol is highly susceptible to DOS attacks by means of BB guns, slingshots or, for more sophisticated hackers, trained hawks.

[–] wizzor@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 year ago

"Unintentional encapsulation in hawks has been known to occur, with decapsulation being messy and the packets mangled."

[–] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Or more sophisticated hawks

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

more sophisticated hawkers, if you will

[–] onevia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"an example of packet loss" 🤣

Yes, we also saw the same post you did.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some guys actually managed to do a ping using this standard. I saw pictures and all.

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago

Please note that IPoAC may suffer fatal device failure when delivering HTTP 418 error codes due to packet overheating.

[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

Ahh, the good old RFCs dated April, 1st. This one is number 1149 ( A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers), and got later updated in RFC 2549 (IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service).

[–] TheFriendlyArtificer@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago

So Alfred Hitchcock predicted DDOS attacks decades before they were a thing?

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Old news, it's been superseded by RFC6214.

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[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 year ago
[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I only torrent over IPoAC.

[–] Ddhuud@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Routing information protocol, little pigeon, routing information protocol.

[–] kamen@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Imagine playing a shooter over a network using this protocol.

[–] EtzBetz@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You need to set a pretty damn high timeout time for this to work.

[–] Malgas@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

That said, the bandwidth of strapping microSD cards to carrier pigeons is actually pretty high.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reminds be of the conversations about transferring hard drives using the public transport system in my city. Good bandwidth, terrible latency. Then everyone got faster internet and stopped pirating

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." – Andrew Tanenbaum

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[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Government drone birds can handle surprisingly large amounts of data.

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My neighbor bought a bird feeder, how do I defend against MitM?

[–] UnverifiedAPK@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Buy better seed and a bird bath.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

So it's obviously not a sneakernet. Is it a wingnet?

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