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[–] Mischala@lemmy.nz 73 points 1 year ago (1 children)

but we want more money... And therefore deserve it. I don't see what the problem is here

  • every CEO ever, I presume
[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Isn't that a novel idea. Just work to make things better and if you succeed you have profits and if you don't back to the drawing board.

Ahhh, what a world we could live in. Back to slumming I guess.

[–] StarManta@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Many blind sheep hate that buzzword, but no other word describes capitalistic failure and greed like it.

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Catabolic phase of capitalism

[–] betahack@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

and you know what, it won't matter. not one bit. because people are lazy and people don't care or are indifferent.

look at reddit. big uproar....for a few days, weeks. now pretty much back to normal.

even myself, I still go back to certain communities because they don't exist elsewhere. and like someone else said it's not just software or platforms, it's people and countries, etc. etc.

it's hard to make changes and have them stick. it's even harder to convince people to leave the easy and known for the not so easy and unknown.

and I think we're going to see lots more....lots, lots more. it will be the new normal.

[–] soloner@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I still left Reddit and unity and haven't returned. Some people do care. Not everyone is indifferent.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right here with you friend. Fuck reddit, they burned me hard by killing Sync. The most I use it is when I'm googling something I need.

[–] Restaldt@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Same

Reddit is not fun

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And god forbid you point out the fact that this attitude among consumers is exactly the reason these companies are brazen enough to pull this shit. People don't want to hear how their attitudes around instant gratification and focus on convenience over absolutely all else just might have consequences.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I literally debated someone yesterday over whether or not it's the consumers willingness to buy that created the demand for a product.

Dude straight up tried to argue that it's the company's fault for making a product, as if they wouldn't do it specifically because they're going to make money on it.

This website is full of kids who can't grasp basic economic principles. If everyone stopped buying, all these businesses would go under. They don't care about the social media bitching, the only way to get the message across is the only thing they care about.

Stop giving them your money.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

On one hand yes, if everyone stopped buying their product then the company would go under. Just like if you just eat less, you'd lose weight

But these such oversimplifications that they lead to the wrong conclusions. You want to lose weight? Learn about nutrition, avoid triggers, and learn to cook from single ingredients. Raw willpower can work... But it's basically the worst strategy. Most people can't do it, and most of them that do regain the weight within 18 months

You want companies to stop doing consumer hostile things that destroy companies? You need to look at the small number of people making profits on the process of destroying the company

The problem with economics is that it's taught like a religion. You get nice, believable mechanisms, but not only are they not tested empirically when they're adopted, it takes decades of being obviously false for the idea to lose steam.

Inflation is an example... Wage growth is empirically not tightly coupled to it - we have the numbers, they aren't ambiguous. But you tell this to people and they'll scoff, because the commonly used model of economics says so in a neatly packaged narrative.

Voting with your wallet is the same. Refusing to buy a product does not push a company in a desired direction, they'll (accurately) see it as a pr and/or marketing problem. It's cheaper to change the minds of consumers than the build better products, it's cheaper to lobby governments than to clean up after yourself, and it's easier, more reliable, and highly profitable to reposition yourself to win big by tanking a company than it is to making it better

[–] buffaloboobs@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I fuckin hate how right you are.

goddammit.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Regarding your last paragraph: asking for forgiveness is cheaper than asking for permission (when you're rich)

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago

Oh, I'm not talking about asking for forgiveness... What I'm saying is that you can straight up make enormous profit in tanking a company, and it's not even illegal. You just have to do it right

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The problem with that reasoning is that capitalists have a means of generating demand artificially.

[–] Pharmacokinetics@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I went to reddit for Valve memes, but now I decided to make my own community here for it. The only problem is NO ONE ELSE FUCKING POSTS!

[–] themusicman@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What's the Lemmy community? I'm already subbed to sourcememes.

Edit: oh yeah that's just you. Enjoying your content and will try to post occasionally

[–] EvolvedTurtle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The only time I use reddit Is when Google is straight up useless and I gotta put reddit at the end of a search

reddit belongs on that list

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not just companies, you’ve got countries doing epic face-plants all over as well. We’re living in the Age of Dipshits ruining stuff for everyone.

[–] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 year ago

In general those countries are just three companies in a trench coat, stealing the money from citizens. US including.

[–] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Welcome to the new dark age

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't forget Hasbro trying to pull a retroactive licensing for all D&D stuff. Oh, and sending the Pikertons to harass a person that got set of cards before release by accident

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sending Pinkertons after a civilian was extremely fucked up, especially for a fuckup they made. The Pinkertons are basically a neo-nazi militia.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't even think they still existed till then

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Sadly the cold war saved them by the bell just before they had their last kneecaps shattered. (Hmmm! I wonder why the cold war happened!!)

[–] KredeSeraf@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I still can't believe all that BS and with the escapist, losing Yhatzee must be a devastating blow to their value.

[–] techwithjake@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They've released a couple of his pre-recorded videos but turned off the comments. They know they fucked up. 🤣

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Oddly enough, the Frost's video on Second Wind very succinctly explained why these things happen.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

They lost everyone, the entire staff walked out.

[–] TheFriendlyDickhead@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean it's a bit more complicated than that. In the past not every company had to be profitable. They were just focusing growth over everything else. But with rising cost due to inflation and rising interest rates they suddenly have to become profitable. And then they proceed to make to worst ever business decisions, to become profitable, but achieve the exact opposite.

[–] Tamo@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Its simple greed and disdain for their users that they somehow believe if they begin to charge for something that used to be free the use base will simply eat it and be happy.

The problem is they arr charging for a service with attention (ads) and user info currencies that people do not value as much and cannot be easily quantified. This then makes people complacent and lets companies reach for more information, leading to the current enshitification of the internet

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a pretty severe contradiction of capitalism: When everyone is out to extract as much money as possible, all of it is going to go to whoever the best at doing that, leaving very little for everyone else. This capital isn't being used to better the human race, it's sitting in an offshore bank account, funding far right death squads and/or genocides, or being spent on the most vile of child exploitation.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Be loyal to people, not companies.

"The riskier the road, the greater the profit." ~Rules of Acquisition #62

[–] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know let's make subscription model loot box pay to win

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Unity has been shitty since they merged with Ironsource. They're an Ad company now (notice how mobile ads sometimes have the familiar Unity logo now? Yeah that's why)

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

It’s fucking incredible isn’t it

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Guy looks like he just did the boiling water challenge

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