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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 55 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That seems really low to me for a global number, especially given how trans people are criminalized and villified in so many countries.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The villification is why the reported numbers are so low.

So many of us are robbed of our identity in death.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's a good point, thanks to deadnaming, this number could be VASTLY under-reported.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And even when they get it right, if they don't explicitly have something to flag the person as trans, then the data doesn't get accounted for in crime statistics.

And speaking as a trans person, the last people I want to know that I'm transgender are the police, so even self under-reporting could be a factor

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

I wish it wasn't true, but I think you're very smart to be cautious of the police.

Stay safe out there.

[–] pbanj@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ya, my first thought was "wow i thought it would be much higher". Glad it's not though.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's what I was thinking... "Man, even for the US that seems low... wait, GLOBALLY?"

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

Doubt most murders of trans people are registered as such, especially in countries which don't accept that trans people exist. The article implies as much:

The report explained that the majority of murder cases (235 cases) were reported in Latin America and the Caribbean, partly due to the “existence of established monitoring systems in these regions”, while Armenia, Belgium and Slovakia reported trans murders for the first time. ... TGEU explained that the horrific stats are only part of the full picture, with some trans people not identified as trans or gender diverse in reports of their deaths, leaving many potential additional cases unreported.

Honestly wouldn't surprise me. They don't even care enough to record the numbers murdered.

As plenty of these are also sex workers, plenty of places the police gives less than zero shits. Even ordinary sex workers avoid the police like the plague. So much so that people will avoid talking to the police at all or coming forward in even the most serious cases, out of fear of being raped, robbed, deported or worse.

IRC Gary Ridgway, who likely murdered over a hundred women, testified he targeted sex workers because he knew it'd allow him to get away with it. Which he did for two decades. You'll also occasionally hear of cases where seemingly an entire precinct systematically raped sex workers, apparently thinking it was something they were entitled to along with free coffee and donuts.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I wonder how much higher that rate is than the national average when accounting for demographics.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 16 points 11 months ago (4 children)

That was my first thought too but the total is globally, so it seems like quite a small number even when considering trans people account for ~1.4% of the world population which would be about 113,036,000 people.

Man that's fucked up.

"Good news! Proportionally, less trans people were murdered!"

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

It's the higher bound for estimates at a population level. It makes sense to use the upper bound for a comparison like this.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's why I said accounting for demographics. There are proportionaly more trans people in richer countries where murders are also lower. But I don't know how one would do that full demographic comparison.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There are proportionaly more trans people in richer countries

There are proportionally more openly identified trans people in richer countries

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I think more people have the capacity to realize they're trans in wealthy nations.

Kind of hard to reach self-actualization when your other needs aren't met.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Thailand being a notable exception.

[–] flashpanda@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So if you dig into the actual data, they point out that this is probably far from the actual number of murders, since it is only reported, and not all jurisdictions participate. One concerning thing though that I saw was that 94% of all the reported murders were of trans women.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 0 points 11 months ago

And almost half were sex workers. I would bet that the real number is much greater, considering the numerous countries that wouldn't be recording the person as being trans. Due to the stigma associated, I'm guessing that it's more likely sex workers will be designated as 'trans' rather than general population, due to the conservative nature of many countries.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

113,036,000 people would be a respectable size for an entire country. That would be an interesting country to live in.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 1 points 11 months ago

Idk why the downvotes ?

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

They're definitely a small part of the population, and rates are always more informative than raw numbers.

That said, we know that people are targetted for violence simply for being trans.

[–] Rosco@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A rise in racism? Transphobia isn't racism, right? It's equally as short-sighted and fucking stupid, but it's not the same.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

The article mentions that 80% of those murdered were also affected by racism. In Europe almost half of those murdered were refugees or immigrants.

They're a racial minority or migrant. That increases their risk.

They're trans. That increases their risk even further.

They're also often sex workers. That increases their risk even further.

Basically super vulnerable and marginalised minorities, who often can't turn to the police for help.

[–] Bye@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Isn’t that a lower rate than cis people?

Like worldwide, even if only 0.1% of people are trans (an intentional underestimate for conservative numbers) that’s a murder rate of 4.3 per 100k people. The worldwide average is 7.5.

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I keep saying this: marginalized and discriminated people are the best ones to own firearms.

Don't trust a society that hates you to protect you.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Then why isn't America the safest country in the world?

You're not repeating some deep wisdom to enlighten poor oppressed idiots who just don't know how cool guns are, you're repeating marketing slogans for a gun lobby who worked out they can sell hero fantasies to leftists too.