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[–] dhtseany@lemmy.ml 40 points 10 months ago (9 children)

What if I just want my phone's text messaging app to only do text messages? What if I don't want fluff features like voice messages that I didn't ask for? Is there a simple vanilla text messaging app to take over texts on my phone since Google feels the need to add extra weight to Messages, an otherwise simple feature that all cell phones share?

[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 17 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Luckily you're on android and not an iPhone. You can go ahead and install whichever text messaging handling application you would like in its place to use and switch the default app.

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[–] inasaba@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I personally use QKSMS, which isn't perfect, but it's all I've been able to stand since Signal dropped SMS support.

This RCS stuff scares me a bit, because it sounds like it will function over a data connection and not be nearly as universal of a standard as SMS/MMS is. There are already a million such apps and standards if one wants to use data for messaging. Trying to sneak it on top of SMS is very annoying. If I use my SMS app, I want my messages to be sent as such. Getting a surprise data bill shouldn't be a fear.

[–] thoughts3rased@sopuli.xyz 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

RCS does function over a data connection (and WiFi!), however unless you're sending large files over the wire it's probably not going to have any effect on your data bill. Text messages are a handful of kilobytes large at worst. SMS/MMS have lots of issues to do with security and capability, and most handsets support it in some form already.

[–] inasaba@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not everyone has a large data plan. I am very aware of how much messaging taxes my data plan: the entirety of my data is already used by it.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the entirety of my data is already used by it

You are mistaken.

[–] inasaba@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm really not. 75% of my data this month has been used by Signal and Discord.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Very unsurprising that Discord consumes a bunch of data but that's not really a "messaging app".

If Signal is consuming too much data, it's because you're in too many group chats with photos and videos. You can change the settings so media will only download over Wi-Fi.

[–] inasaba@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Many people do use Discord as a messaging app. I am really only using it for private messages when I am on data.

I only have two Signal contacts, and no group chats. Video is set to download only on WiFi, but I do need to be able to see images.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you're using Discord for private messages, you are making another mistake.

[–] inasaba@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You say that as if I don't already know it. But what am I supposed to do, abandon every friend who prefers it?

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't know what you know. You're the one who said you were using it for "private" messaging. Just letting you know.

[–] danhakimi@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

nobody thinks discord is e2ee. "private messages" usually means the same thing as "direct messages" -- messages between a defined set of people as opposed to an open group. You know and understand this term, you're just being a dick because you think that's an effective way to convince people to stop using proprietary software without basic features like e2ee. You're wrong.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I do know and understand the difference, which is exactly why I made the correction. I'm not being a dick, I'm trying to correct poor nomenclature. I'm not trying to convince anyone to do anything except make informed decisions. I'd argue that's the opposite of being a dick. But thanks for weighing in.

[–] danhakimi@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're trying to "correct" the correct usage of vernacular English because you feel like reinventing the language to suit your personal idea of what it should be. English is bigger than you. The phrase "private messaging" has meaning, and it's not up to you to decide what that meaning is.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 10 months ago

The phrase "private messaging" has meaning, and it's not up to you to decide what that meaning is.

Uhhhh I'm not "deciding" the meaning. It was decided long ago. And I'm not debating it any further with you. Goodbye.

[–] PainInTheAES@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Then disable RCS chats in the settings? I doubt traditional SMS is going anywhere soon.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Trying to sneak it on top of SMS is very annoying

No one is trying to "sneak" anything. The ideal messaging app has advanced messaging features as the primary and then falls back to SMS if it's unavailable, and that's exactly how this works.

If you're looking for a less advanced and secure app, you can very easily install and use anything else.

[–] inasaba@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If I wanted a messaging app with advanced features, I wouldn't be using the SMS app that came with my phone.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] inasaba@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because SMS is inherently feature-lite. But it's free and unlimited, which is kind of the whole point of using it over a feature-rich app that uses data.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A lot of messaging apps became popular because carriers were charging per-SMS in some countries.

Basic text messaging should consumer virtually zero data. If they are, you should consider using a different app.

[–] inasaba@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Photos use a decent amount of data regardless of what app you're sending them by.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't consume much more than it does on SMS

[–] inasaba@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

SMS/MMS do not count toward data usage here. They are free and unlimited.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

QKSMS hasn't been maintained in a while, besides one update at the start of 2023.

It may be better to go with, and I personally just use, PartisanSMS which is an improved fork of QKSMS.

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 months ago

I think that in SMS there simply is not more to have, they have everything needed.

[–] inasaba@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

There haven't been any issues, so I don't see why development is needed.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You can replace it with any of thousands of old shitty SMS apps if you want. It's not iOS.

Most of us want advanced features and privacy. And unfortunately, in order to get those features, you often have to be using the same app/service across devices. Google seems to have finally caught on that constantly changing messaging apps is killing them, so they made an app to be the "default" on Android devices.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 months ago

I'm pretty sure not being iOS is a feature.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 5 points 10 months ago

Yes that's what they asked for

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not if you want RCS. Google still refuses to make a user-level API for some reason. So you can only use the messenger app bundled with your phone for RCS.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Textra, QKSMS, NextSMS, PulseSMS, and so on. Many (most, all?) are much better than Google.

[–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Pulse is shit now, it's been acquired by a sketchy company.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Bummer. I used it for years.

Maybe an old version from apkmirror?

[–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

Yes, that could work. I just switched to Google Messages which, other than being from Google, is pretty good.

[–] Iamdanno@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

For years I used Textra. It did SMS amazingly. I only switched to Google Messages for RCS support, although I believe Textra added that now.

[–] SteveCC@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not seeing that it does RCS. Would love to see a Foss app that does. Anyone?

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

None do yet, because Google doesn't publish an API for apps to use RCS.

Another reason I say fuck RCS.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 months ago

None will, Google is slowly closed-sourcing the entire platform. Messaging was one of the next steps. Also why apps like Signal won't be seeing carrier messaging in the future.

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 months ago

The fact we need Google and phone carrier approval to use the system is a reason to drop it.

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[–] Midnitte@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

They're also apparently adding markdown which is neat, but considering all the recent Google news of them trying to lock down the web, I'd rather they focus on adding an RCS API so other apps can exist...

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