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I don't get how you can be 'too progressive'. Surely progress is a good thing, no? If you're against progress, you're in favor of things remaining as they are or getting worse. To me, that's just being a cunt.
I guess what I'm saying is, "Pope removes bishop for being too much of a cunt" would've been a good headline also.
To me, that’s just being a cunt.
Welcome to religious conservatism.
Progress for one man can be regression for other.
Ah interesting. Sounds smart. Doesn't fit here though.
Gotta ask... Specifically regarding the progress we are referring to here (the right for LGBTQ+ people to exist peacefully), I'm curious how, and for whom, this could possibly cause "regression"? Who is personally losing anything or having any kind of negative difference in their lives in any way whatsoever by the existence of these people?
Edit: for anyone too thick to get what I'm saying: I know there are people who believe allowing LGBTQ+ people to exist is "regressive," that's literally my point. What I'm saying t is that there's no rational, logically sound argument that anyone could make that would somehow show allowing these people to live causes society to regress.
It's just not a thing. It doesn't matter how many times people repeat it.
Hold on, do you really believe there's no one in the world who thinks accepting and supporting the LGBTQ+ community is a bad thing? Because if you do, I have some really bad news for you...
Perhaps you misunderstood... Of course there are. I'm just saying their position is irrational. And I'm saying that there is no objective argument that they could make that would show denying LGBTQ+ people the right to exist to be beneficial to anybody anywhere.
I don’t think those people would use the term “regressive,” because that term has inherent negative connotations. Their goal isn’t so much to “regress” as it is to “conserve” - maintain the values and power structures of the past. What a progressive would call progress, they would see as a decline. What they’re losing by ceding LGBTQ+ rights is more subtle than losing their own rights - they’re losing (or think they’re losing) status, privilege, moral authority. Their position in the social hierarchy drops if there are fewer people to look down on.
Dude in the article for example ? Do you think he sees it as progress ? 😅
See my edit.
Yeah this seems somewhat what i said, if my understanding is correct.
According to many religions, not being straight is a sin. Therefore being friendly towards LGBT ppl is bad, therefore It’s regressive.
Nobody is against what they believe is best. Calling something “progressive” is like calling the DRPK “democratic”, it’s just a name. Whether something progresses humanity is not objective, it’s subjective.
Maybe the DRPK example is not the best since it’s clearly not democratic for almost all people, but you get what I mean.
Not for religion, it is about power and control.
People who abuse their families have jobs, vote and go to church.
Wait but wasn't a dogma that the word of the Pope IS the word of God? So that guy is an heretic and should be burnt at the stake
There's a heresy called sedevacantism that basically believes the last few Popes don't count because they've taken positions that the real Pope would never take.
They don't do the burning at the stake bit anymore though.
Some people are lucky that today's popes don't act like the popes of the olden days.
BTW, which one was the last true Pope in theory eyes? I bet it's the fascist one
I think most of them think the last real pope was Pius XII, and yeah he was the guy who signed the Reichskonkordat with the Nazis, which required priests in Germany to take an oath of loyalty to the German Reich.
He actually did that as Secretary of State before he became pope, on behalf of the previous pope, so they were both fash.
The reason sedevacantists dislike his successor, John XXIII, is that they are really upset about the Second Vatican Council introducing ideas like "the beneficial nature of diversity" and "concern for secular human values." That's the moment when they think the church went off the rails.
Likely whichever one suits their personal world view of bigotry and fascism.
Yes, that one that supported the Nazi's in WWII and gave the names and addresses of Jews to the gestapo.
Despite the evilness of the Catholic church as a whole, I've got to say I kinda like Pope Francis. Too bad the majority of religious leaders aren't more like him.
He still protected sexual abusers like Cardinal McCarrick. He's handled the PR of sexual abuse than his predecessors, but he hasn't excommunicated a single abuser or enabler. He hasn't turned any records over to law enforcement.
Religious leaders need better role models than the pope.
He's no saint, though.
What you're mentioning is the equivalent of "huh, this pope gives us 10 fewer kicks in the nuts per day than the previous popes. I kinda like him!"
He wants to welcome lgbt people in the church? The reaction shouldn't be "oh he's so good!" It should be "about damn time, fuckers!"
Don’t forget he basically said Charlie Hebdo had it coming.
Dude’s still an ass, he’s just a comparatively smaller ass than his predecessors.
We have an expression in Québec for people who either:
1- Defend someone else's interests with more fervor than the other person themselves.
2- To have extremist values, thoughts or actions.
The expression is "Être plus catholique que le pape." Or to be more Catholic than the pope himself.
Oh this guy definitely thinks himself the most holy Catholic person to ever live. He is light years away from the papacy in terms of ever being Pope, but definitely casually suggests to his followers that HE some random fuck in Texas would be a better Pope than the actual Pope
In Italian we say "more royalist than the king". Btw, the Pope was criticized even by Italian politicians because "they know better" what the Catholic faith should be like. And I'm not referring to some minor party, but to the very backbone of the current government. It seems like the Pope is intentionally trying to mess up their whole electoral campaign based on tradicional family and morality.
Not very surprising considering the current government is far right and they always believe they know better than anyone else.
Right... but there's a capital sin for this called "pride", being religious they should realize their wrongdoing.
Oh man, they break so many of them all the time, I'm a saint compared to them even if I'm an atheist!
Heck, throw this at any of them when they talk about abortions or LGBTQ+
James 4:12 “There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?”
And they do like to speak God's name in vain!
We have pretty much the same expression in English!
The modern church is the shell of the institution it once was. Which is a good thing. Let's make it even less relevant than it already is.
The goal isn't to make it hollow, the goal is to shrink the size proportional to honest participation, so that it doesn't have an outsized influence on the general population.
Churches of all kinds are destroying themselves with politics.
good
Tyler TX is also home to Idiot Child Louie Gohmert. There are churches and banks on every corner, and every time there's new construction there's a 50% chance it's either a church or a bank.
From the article:
“This is total war,” Matt wrote on X, formerly Twitter. “Francis is a clear and present danger not only to Catholics the world over but also to the whole world itself.”
Matt is the editor of a traditionalist newspaper. That guy needs to touch grass. How stupid can a person be?
laypeople in Tyler had complained and that he was making unorthodox claims.
Oh you.
Honestly, though: good for those Catholic laypeople in Texas to complain to the friggin' Vatican that this guy is a compete nut job!
Give that writer a raise.
Fun fact about Tyler, TX...
Ok I'm at a loss.
They have roses
It's high time we had another Anti-Pope.
$10 says this guy runs for Turd Cruz’s senate seat next year, as a repube of course.
That's a word I'll never get out of my teeth
This sounds very in-line with the experienced detailed to me by an ex who grew up in Tyler, Texas.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
ROME (AP) — Pope Francis on Saturday forcibly removed the bishop of Tyler, Texas, a firebrand conservative prelate active on social media who has been a fierce critic of the pontiff and has come to symbolize the polarization within the U.S. Catholic hierarchy.
The Vatican never released the findings and Strickland had insisted he wouldn’t resign voluntarily, saying in media interviews that he was given a mandate to serve as bishop in 2012 by the late Pope Benedict XVI and couldn’t abdicate that responsibility.
Francis has not been shy about his concerns about the right wing in the U.S. Catholic hierarchy, which has been split between progressives and conservatives who long found support in the doctrinaire papacies of St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI, particularly on issues of abortion and same-sex marriage.
In comments to Portuguese Jesuits in August, Francis blasted the “backwardness” of these conservative bishops, saying they had replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.
The meeting debated a host of previously taboo issues, including women in governance roles and welcoming LGBTQ+ Catholics, but in the end, its final document didn’t veer from established doctrine.
In a social media post sent a few hours before the Vatican’s noon announcement, Strickland wrote a prayer about Christ being the “way, the truth and the life, yesterday, today and forever.” He had changed the handle from his previous @bishopoftyler to @BishStrickland.
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