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[–] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 109 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When people make a big stink about Apple not implementing RCS I always bring this up. RCS has an open core sure - but it’s lacking plenty of features that people refer to when talking about RCS. Furthermore, the gateways used for Google’s RCS implementation are made by a company Google acquired. Would we be happy with Apple charging cell providers money to install iMessage gateways at whatever cost they wanted, because they hold the patents? No, so why would we give Google a pass?

If we want to fix this issue, force Google to relinquish their control of RCS and open the standard unencumbered with patents. Require telecoms to implement the standard in full and without deviation or be fined. Give phone manufacturers a few more years to comply and then it’s done.

[–] F04118F@feddit.nl 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you running for a seat in the European Parliament next year?

[–] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unfortunately I’d be running from Italy and well, we are a bit boneheaded at the moment.

[–] TJmCAwesome@feddit.nu 12 points 1 year ago

You ain't kidding!

[–] interolivary@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Ouch. My condolences.

But hey, it's not just you though; here in Finland we've had eg. multiple literal neo-Nazis in the government – one had to quit because, you know, he is a neo-Nazi, but the extremist right wing party he's from replaced him with a pedophile neo-Nazi – and our Speaker of the Parliament has publicly fantasized on his blog about murdering gay people. And that's just the highlight reel, it gets so much worse.

Europe's a bit fucked, honestly.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

While true, apple remains the bigger hurdle here. They don't seem even willing to cooperate.

[–] WaxiestSteam69@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't we already have this for a breid shining moment with XMPP before Google and others broke it?

[–] nao@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s not broken though. They broke their own forks of it.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Google basically Embrace, Expand, Extinguished XMPP.

[–] hai@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Only “basically”!?

[–] WaxiestSteam69@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

"Broke" isn't really tye right word. The protocol exists and could be used but companies like Google added proprietary atuff that made it impossible to use it as an open universal "system".

[+] velox_vulnus@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

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[–] dzervas@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

my whole experience with matrix is deeply disappointing. devices getting out of sync, not being able to decrypt messages, missing notifications and that fucking mark as read not working are daily problems

dig deeper and you’ll find the causes of the problems, which are disturbing. e.g. a json string is hashed (however 2 equal json objects can be the same while their strings are very different)

the only reason I still use it is a room I want to be part of

[–] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

How it's pretty good if it's in a pre-alpha stage? The reviews tell otherwise.

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Matrix would be fantastic. Phone number accounts hosted on the carrier's instance, and can federate with other instances.

Something like (for an American phone number): @0014204206969:matrix.att.com and have each carrier share which phone numbers are assigned to which carrier in some common protocol so all you would need is a phone number.

[–] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I sure hope it (matrix) doesn’t go full Skynet on us

[–] OscarRobin@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would be goated if everyone just switched to the Signal protocol and interop was mandated, but that'll never happen unfortunately.

[–] sarmale@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

Isnt signal protocol just encrypting? It doesent deliver messages

[–] LucidLethargy@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Spell check was invented in 1971.

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago

Meme is missing an s, literally unreadable

[–] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Spell check existed way before 1971.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm OOTL with this. Anakin, what are you talking about?

[–] sarmale@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 year ago

found this post

[+] runswithjedi@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

RCS will be closed?

[–] sarmale@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The implementation google pushes for is, also couldnt find any foss rcs apps

[–] Tak@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

After a quick googling it looks like RCS is a proprietary standard of GSMA and not open in any implementation.

Am I missing something here? I assume you have more info than me so maybe there's more insight on there being open implementations.

[–] sarmale@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I also think that, but im not sure, what I am sure is that the Google implementation is not

[–] Tak@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Talk about a total bummer either way. I appreciate the confirmation.

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

wtf I didn't even think about checking if RCS was open source, I thought it was obviously! I was hoping so much from RCS, are SMS also proprietary?

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

there's the part that google added on top, which isn't open.

And then there's rcs itself, which isn't open either. You need to get a license from the gsma

[–] zorro@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I believe this is the specification: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8591

[–] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When people make a big stink about Apple not implementing RCS I always bring this up. RCS has an open core sure - but it’s lacking plenty of features that people refer to when talking about RCS. Furthermore, the gateways used for Google’s RCS implementation are made by a company Google acquired. Would we be happy with Apple charging cell providers money to install iMessage gateways at whatever cost they wanted, because they hold the patents? No, so why would we give Google a pass?

If we want to fix this issue, force Google to relinquish their control of RCS and open the standard unencumbered with patents. Require telecoms to implement the standard in full and without deviation or be fined. Give phone manufacturers a few more years to comply and then it’s done.

[–] Veticia@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can also go the other way around. Force Apple to make iMessage an open standard.

[–] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

That’s true, but there would be additional challenges. Outside of the US, Android dominates the markets to the tune of +80%. In order for such an effort to have teeth, there has to be incentive for them to comply. They could pull iOS out of the EU market and remove iMessage from macOS if it came down to it. They are already such a small percentage they might just eat the loss as the cost of protecting their walled garden. Unlikely, but a possibility nonetheless.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Seriously. Hold them all accountable. Don't be pro-google/anti-apple because you happened to give some money to one of them. Scrutinize both at all times.

[–] arudesalad@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not really into these types of apps but I think matrix is close to what you're looking for.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yes, Failed to load image, my favorite messaging protocol

[–] arudesalad@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Boost still uses reddit formatting i think https://matrix.org

[–] gkd@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Is putting a ! infront of a markdown link not standard for an image? That’s why it’s doing it.

Lemmy does use some different markdown formats than I have usually seen, so maybe it’s not a standard just the common thing.

Edit: oh you meant the other way around. Anyway, weird that Reddit used that for links.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Google tries to make many messaging standards and programs

All fail because of mismanagement

This is supposed to be Apple's problem?

[–] N200L@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Google didn't create RCS. The idea was floated in 2008 and in 2009 the GSM association (Non-profit, representing 700+ mobile carriers across the world) began directing the project. Since then 47 mobile network operators, 11 equipment manufacturers, and 2 operating system companies (Google & Microsoft) have pledged their support for RCS.

In fact, Google only started implementing RCS in 2019 whereas Samsung has been releasing phones since 2012 with RCS. Now RCS is actively used by over 88 operators in 59 countries with almost 400,000,000 daily users.

tl;dr - Apple not using RCS is Apple's problem when the rest of the world does.

[–] nao@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

It’s not about Apple or Google. There just needs to be a common standard.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

It's not Android users who are getting ugly green text boxes on their phones.

[–] ursakhiin@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Apple could open up iMessage.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Google always

[–] botorfj@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what's that font?

[–] sarmale@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

Pixel mplus 12

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

[–] sarmale@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

La asta chiar nu m-am gândit

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