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[–] weariedfae@lemmy.world 124 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (11 children)

And the sound engineer people (not sure if that's their official title) are* suuuuper condescending about it. "Well it's your fault for not having a professional setup mixed the same as a theater."

Edit: *Fixed a typo.

Thanks for the replies people, I'm learning a lot! I think another commenter referenced the same article I'm half-remembering (as you do) where some professional audio people commented on this issue. They said movies are designed for the theater and nothing else with no intention/interest in fixing it. IIRC (and I probably don't) this is likely due to directors or studios not wanting to pay for a home version or having a specific vision they would rather not compromise. Even though the effect of not compromising is..well, the posted comic.

[–] vettnerk@lemmy.ml 62 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Former sound engineer here. Yes, that's the correct title, but no, that's not our doing (not mine at least). I want as many people as possible to reasonably be able to enjoy my output, regardless whether they have a 40000$ home cinema, or if they're on a cheap TV.

I know that some directors (Christopher Nolan) tend to want to produce "best" quality at the expense of those who don't care. See Tenet as an example.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 33 points 10 months ago

Hey at least with Nolan movies, it really doesn't matter what they're saying

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (4 children)

If you can have sound separated into different channels based on what their purpose is, I don’t see why they can’t just have a software solution that allows you to raise the volume of dialogue separately from everything else.

Like in video games, you can control volume for dialogue, music, sound effects, etc all individually.

[–] explodicle@local106.com 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I love this idea. I don't want it balanced or perfect for my system, I literally just want everything that isn't speech to be quieter, even if the voice is behind us or the explosion is front and center. That's it.

[–] vettnerk@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

As much as I would love that, its use would be very limited without widespread adaption of software or hardware support.

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[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sound engineers are the nicest of people in the audio world ime. Always ready to explain to my dumb ass complex math that makes sound work, and I love them for it.

The people you're thinking about go by "audiophiles" most commonly and are the coffee people of the tech world: nothing is ever good enough and they'll sneer at you for not knowing that.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean, your cables aren't braided from fine gold?

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (8 children)

What do you mean, you don't have a $1400 wooden volume knob to help suppress harmonics? Coupled with a True DC source with microvolt ripple for your final stages It's like lifting a veil from the sound stage!

Edit: No, seriously, there are people like that. This company used to sell a $400 wooden knob some 15 years ago. They still sell a lot of stuff like that for the True Audiophile.

http://www.audio-consulting.ch/?Products

(Don't know how many veils a soundstage can actually have, but apparently, it's a lot).

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
  1. I have that setup

  2. The theater is also too imbalanced and too loud

[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

99% of the time, the cause is trying to output a 5.1 signal into a Stereo setup (Like your TV speakers). A 5.1 signal is 5 speakers and 1 subwoofer. The speakers are front left and right, rear left and right and - the important bit - the centre channel. The centre channel tends to be where all of the dialogue comes from, while everything else comes from the other speakers. But what happens if you don't have 5 speakers? What if you only have 2? You can't ignore that audio so you've got to mush it together somehow and now you've got dialogue and explosions coming out of the same speakers with mixed results.

It's not about not having a professional setup mixed the same as a theatre, it's usually about a setting somewhere that's incorrect. If you're only using your TV's speakers, there's a good chance something somewhere is trying to give it a surround sound signal and it's trying to downmix that to stereo. Usually you can fix it by adjusting a setting somewhere, either the TV itself or whatever app/box is sending the TV the signal as most sources do actually come with a stereo mix.

However, a better way of solving it is getting yourself a soundbar. It doesn't have to be an expensive one at all, even the cheaper soundbars will sound better than your TV ever will and they'll at least have a 3.1 signal that'll separate out the sound effects/music from the dialogue because usually that dialogue goes through the centre channel which you now have. You can also usually adjust the volume of that channel independently.

Note that nobody would suggest that a cheap soundbar is anything close to a "professional setup". Most audio folk would turn their nose up at the idea of using a soundbar over a full surround system but you know what, they're pretty "good enough" for most folk and if you care about media consumption, it's a nice improvement.

[–] bl4ckblooc@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Screw how they do it in the theatre. Watching Dune gave me a migraine for the rest of the day thanks to the sound.

[–] ImpossibilityBox@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Dune gave me an erection for the rest of the day because of the sound.

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[–] gens@programming.dev 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yea it's better for media to have a high "dynamic range" (as in the comic). But for most consumers it's bad. My solution is to use a "compressor", a audio filter that practically averages loudness. https://www.thewindowsclub.com/compressor-tool-in-vlc

Funny enough shitty laptop speakers are better for watching these kinds of movies.

See also: loudness wars

[–] Sharkwellington@lemmy.one 8 points 10 months ago

If you're not on a computer, most TVs come with a "nighttime" mode which is essentially a compressor and works in the daytime just as well.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

i was once present to recording of some cheap radio advertisement, and the last step in the mixing process was that the guy burned the cd and plugged it in into 20 usd cd player to hear what it will sound like to the intended audience.

so not every professional has necessarily be an obnoxious asshole.

[–] Zorg@lemmings.world 5 points 10 months ago

Most of the time sound engineers also make a stereo mix, with significantly less dynamic range.

Blame your TV/computer/whatever-screen for going technically a multichannel surround system could be plugged into me at any moment, I will tell the streaming-service/Blu-ray/DVD/media-file to feed me that sound track! Switching to the stereo track makes a big difference, but yeah, for some reason the surround track becomes the default option.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 77 points 10 months ago (9 children)
[–] kinttach@lemm.ee 52 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Supposedly most Gen Z now use subtitles and I don’t blame them. With the way movie sound is mixed it’s really hard to hear the dialog. Not everyone has a Dolby-certified sound system in their living room.

Even with a basic surround system that has a separate center channel (and fiddling with the settings for 5.1, Atmos, stereo) we still often have to use subtitles. It’s major failure on the part of movie studio audio engineers.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Funny thing is, that it is only in the original language audio track, if you watch in German (what I not recommend, since I can’t stand the synchros) the speakers are way louder compared to the background noice/action scenes.

Luckily Plex has a feature to fix that on original language tracks as well and reduces loud sound automatically.

[–] 50MYT@aussie.zone 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Is the feature client or server side? What's it called?

I need it

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

If you run on a window system, there is a setting deep in your sound device's advanced options that will allow you to suppress those loud sounds as well. It seems to cut the dynamic range and makes most media much more tolerable in that respect.

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[–] will_a113@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

I'm Gen X and have been using subtitles ever since I had kids. My kids have only ever seen the TV with subtitles on. Just recently I noticed that they watch Youtube with subtitles on. So, not sure if it's nature or nurture :)

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[–] Patches@sh.itjust.works 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Turning on the subtitles while children are watching television can double the chances of a child becoming good at reading†. It’s so brilliantly simple and can help children’s literacy so much that we want to shout it from the rooftops!

https://turnonthesubtitles.org/

†Based on an academic study of 2,350 children, 34% became good readers with schooling alone. But when exposed to 30 minutes a week of subtitled film songs, that proportion more than doubled to 70%. There are lots of studies about the benefits of subtitles. This is just one! Check out our research page to find out more.

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[–] Maestro@kbin.social 14 points 10 months ago

I'm Dutch. I put subtitles on everything, even if the show is in my native language.

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[–] 4am@lemm.ee 46 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Home releases and streaming need a reduced dynamic range mix as a selectable audio channel. TV compressors almost never cut it.

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[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (4 children)

If anyone uses Kodi, there's an audio setting to downmix the center channel that helps with this. This comic is hilarious btw.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Audio Mixers: "Everyone has Dolby Atmos these days. You'd have to be some kind of broke-ass to only use your TV speakers or soundbar!"

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[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 22 points 10 months ago

A lot of content is (unfortunately) mastered for a very quiet room.
This means they expect a low noise floor (say, 35dB). Which means for 45dB of dynamic range, you have a max volume of 80dB.

If your listening room isn't perfect (no deadening, cars passing in the street, someone vacuuming), your noise floor could be 45dB to start with.
And if you go for the same range, suddenly you're up in the 90s. Or, as this comic shows, you crank the volume in the low sections to hear things over the noise floor, but you don't want it that loud at peak.

There are probably already 50 comments about dynamic normalisation in the comments. And it's the right answer for generic environments.
That, and boosting the centre channel (either with a real channel, or virtually). As the centre channel tends to have a higher percentage of use for dialogue.

[–] Kase@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

It's gotten to the point that I only feel safe watching movies with headphones (on my phone/computer). I can always keep a finger on the volume button, and at least with headphones I won't upset my roommates with the volume lol

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

5.1 with no center speaker

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] IDontHavePantsOn@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

"His favorite movie? is books!"

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 10 months ago

Or your TV/sound system adjusts the volume automatically but spoils when dramatic things are about to happen by suddenly getting quiet.

[–] zagaberoo@beehaw.org 4 points 10 months ago

The best solution I've found for this is to play content at about 10% TV volume and have Kodi apply a ~16dB preamp to the audio. Works perfectly, everything just sounds the right volume, no distortion or clipping, no suddenly getting quiet before action scenes.

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