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Russian propagandist Solovyov:

"We will not stop at Kyiv, Warsaw, Paris. We will stop when we feel secure."

What is security for Russia? The destruction of NATO?

Russia has been living in "counteraction and struggle" with external "bad enemies" for a very long time. This is how the Russian government consolidates society and explains all the problems to it.

Therefore Solovyov is right - they will not stop.

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[–] Argongas@kbin.social 76 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Here's a wild thought, maybe the best security comes from being a good neighbor and cooperating with people around you.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Russians can't trust. They grow up in a culture where corruption is common and lies more prevalent than reality. The only way a Russian can ever trust a thing is to do it themselves. The only other option is to remove anyone else who can do it better and then claim the advance as a Russian victory.

Russia can't be trusted by anyone anymore. Russians will be out for themselves, as they always are.

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[–] koolkiwi@lemmy.world 71 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I mean of course they won't stop at Kyiv. They can't reach it.

[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

still incredible to me that kyiv still stands in ukrainian hands, i was absolutely sure it was going to fall in three days. amazing.

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[–] XYZinferno@lemmy.basedcount.com 8 points 10 months ago

Oh that's one hell of a one-liner, I like it!

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (2 children)

lol. Blyats can’t take Ukraine and NATO hasn’t done more than supply weapons and intelligence.

[–] ares35@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

and not even the best boom-booms, either.

[–] FleetingTit@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

In your opinion what are the best boom-booms of NATO, short of nuclear devices?

[–] uphillbothways@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

AGM-158 JASSM's with CHAMP packages. Stealth cruise missiles with anti-electronics packages. Would bring down the bloodshed significantly while disabling enemy communications, launchers, radar installations, etc. These can be fired by F-16s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-electronics_High_Power_Microwave_Advanced_Missile_Project

The CHAMP is superior to other electronic warfare weapons because it destroys electronics, rather than jamming which temporarily affects systems that come back online when it stops being applied....
CHAMP is capable of up to 100 shots per sortie.

[–] ChrisLicht@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Known or suspected/hypothetical?

You gotta imagine the US has at least one or two publicly unknown weapon types socked away for a rainy day. At the outside, perhaps something crazy in the vein of Rods from God.

[–] ares35@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the u.s. does not export 'everything' (even when excluding nuclear devices) in its arsenal.

[–] ChrisLicht@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

You know that’s right.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
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[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Any fellow old folks remember the Iraqui Information Minister and related memes? Sounds like he's been giving this Russian guy lessons....

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/comical-ali-baghdad-bob

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Baghdad Blyat

[–] XYZinferno@lemmy.basedcount.com 32 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If the west needs any more encouragement to assist Ukraine, here it is.

The choice is help Ukraine now, or kick the can down the road and lament when Russia is at your borders.

[–] havocpants@lemm.ee 21 points 10 months ago

The choice is help Ukraine now, or kick the can down the road and lament when Russia is at your borders.

That might seem scarier if they weren't nearly 2 years into their 3 day war against their smaller, poorer next-door neighbour.

Russia is a terrorist shithole state that needs to be dismantled. I wish my country was doing more than providing arms and training.

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[–] GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 19 points 10 months ago

Wish a bitch would try...we could finally end this war.

[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Then just die of fright you absolutely cowards, if you think that defending hospitals, schools and civilian apartment buildings is a threat to Russia then just die. If you think a free and honest press is a threat to your government then just die because no sane person will look at your actions and let you continue unabated

[–] joneskind@beehaw.org 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Do Russians people truly believe they would stand a chance against the whole fucking NATO?

Propaganda is one thing, but that’s pure delusion.

[–] XYZinferno@lemmy.basedcount.com 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It's why I imagine the Russian government has been trying to frame this as "self-defense" to its own people, when it's clearly the opposite.

They know that people will go to extreme lengths to fight when they believe they're fighting defensively, for their own people, sovereignty, safety, etc. To that end, it won't matter if they can realistically defeat NATO- they just want their own people to die trying.

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[–] LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 months ago

*Suicidal ideation

[–] _s10e@feddit.de 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Is this a declaration of war? Against NATO??

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Pretty much sounds like a declaration of war against Poland and France, and thus NATO to me.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago
[–] ParanoidFactoid@beehaw.org 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] interolivary@beehaw.org 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Does anybody bother with actualy declaring wars anymore?

[–] ensignrick@startrek.website 14 points 10 months ago
[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Only Russian aggression has made Russia insecure. Because now their borders are disputed.
Russia could have been perfectly secure, by just being a decent neighbor, and not invade other countries.

[–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

You have to have leverage to negotiate. Is losing 500k standing troops a leverage position?

[–] Tavonyms@mastodon.social 10 points 10 months ago

@LaFinlandia
Says the most insecure, paranoid country in the world.

[–] B_Larson@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

Maybe just concentrate on not losing the current war lol

[–] 018118055@sopuli.xyz 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] interolivary@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wish. There's not going to be much delenda-ing of Russia thanks to nuclear weapons being a thing

[–] 018118055@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Its predecessor collapsed because of various factors. It doesn't have to be a special military operation.

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[–] RedditReject@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 months ago

A new movie to watch, thank you!

[–] Historical_General@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

We must fight wokeness on the beaches, the waterfronts and elsewhere. We shall never surrender.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There was some interesting, supposedly intelligence chatter during the Crimea invasion, that russia was willing to go as far as nuke warsaw to hold their claims. There was discussion that in the cold war in the 1950’s, russia was a victor, and responding from a position of strength - but the men ruling today come from a collapsed country and feel the need to do whatever it takes to feel respected.

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Russia becoming North Korea

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