Russian warship didn't fuck itself so it got helped.
this post was submitted on 07 Nov 2023
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Looking forward to the day Putin gets done like these warships he's been losing, and hopefully by the Russian people. Fucking scumbag war criminal.
People are too afraid of Disappearing to stand up to him. Self preservation unfortunately looks at short term over long term.
You know what they say, what's good for your survival isn't good for your health.
It's unfortunate, but understandable. Fear of death is a powerful motivator. That's why tyrants resort to it so frequently.
More and more news makes it sound like Russian conscripts get better treatment in Ukraine's POW camps than they do in the Russian military. Hopefully, more and more of them can find ways to lay down arms and exit the conflict to safety.
Fuck russia.
Did the orcas get it
Navy seal killer team 6
They should've trained orcas instead of dolphins.
Orcas are part of the dolphin family
Is Russia lost yet?
Are they lost? Yes
Have they lost? Unfortunately no, they're going to throw death and suffering at this conflict they started until they get what they want or they (somehow) run out of bodies to throw.
Imagine Vietnam-era US, but it was willing to sacrifice every warm body within its borders to win.
Like the US, I think Russia is on a collision course with failure. But they're going to take it a lot farther before waving a white flag. So much so that it will take the country decades to recover.
And Ukraine won't be looking too hot at that point anymore, either.
Yeah that "every warm body" doesn't work and will be Russian undoing.
You see, in the real world you have a very limited amount of "warm bodies" to throw to begin with. Realistically speaking, only males between, say, 15 and 45, and a few women who are more fit than average. Anything else gets useless very quickly.
Unfortunately this is also the group that forms a large part of your work force. Yes, you'll have women left, but realistically you don't see women picking up garbage at night.
Russia already has a huge gap in employable people because of the bodies they threw, and the bodies that decided to bugger off and flee before the draft got to them. especially those that fled were the more intelligent ones, the (future) scientists and engineers that you need to grow your country.
Russia is FUBAR for the next 5 decades thanks to Putin
Yep. The Romans fucked themselves sideways doing this a few times. You can have all the soldiers or you can have some farmers and skilled laborers. You can't have both.
They have strengthened their ability to pull from prisons too which opens up hundreds of thousands of more bodies for the front lines.
The west needs to double down and double down again in support of Ukraine.
Sunk cost fallacy.
As opposed to letting an authoritarian state gain more power and influence? Methinks people in other parts of the world must have thought it is a sunk cost fallacy as well to support Britain when they were left standing alone when France fell to the Nazis. But I have to admit as to why some would be reluctant to provide more support for Ukraine considering much of the world is experiencing cost of living crisis. Although many countries, including the US, at the start of World War II were just reeling from the Great Depression either and yet still provided support for Britain.
Ukraine today and Britain then received billions of dollars of support, which is a lot for the common folks, but the truth is that they're chump change relative to entire budget of the US government back then and now. Though again, I recognise that these are chump change in billions of dollars could make a massive difference to the lives of people on the domestic front. However, I would like to remind others that a lot more billions of dollars will be lost if Russia is allowed to win and if the Nazis back then had won. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is a direct violation of UN Charter to respect national sovereignty and borders. What we have built in the past 70 years or so to maintain peace will be for nothing and we'd be back to the more Wild West-style international relations that led to the Second World War. Letting Russia could collapse the UN and lead to World War III.
...letting an authoritarian state gain more power and influence?...
That's one weird argument. Are you implying that meddling with other state's affairs is justified if it's to keep it from gaining power and influence?
That's one weird argument. Are you implying morality stops at borders?
And it's not even meddling, they are asking for help.
Are you implying morality stops at borders?
Kind of, yeah. A moral cause in one country can be an evil wrongdoing in other. Case in point - Al-Qaeda was formed because US troops were deployed in some country in the middle east to defend someone.
And it’s not even meddling, they are asking for help.
I'm okay with helping Ukraine. I'm not okay if it's helping only to fuck with Russia.
A moral cause in one country can be an evil wrongdoing in other. Case in point - Al-Qaeda was formed because US troops were deployed in some country in the middle east to defend someone.
Uhm, where did you get that from?
Anyway, I get your point, but your example only shows that morality doesn't really stop at borders for most people.
I’m okay with helping Ukraine. I’m not okay if it’s helping only to fuck with Russia.
If it's to stop an authoritarian state from taking over a democratic state it's good for me. If it's because of other less ulterior motives (and let's not kid ourselves, it's at least partly because of that), I don't mind. Is it bad when a doctor only saves lives because it pays well?
Uhm, where did you get that from?
Actually, I messed up. I thought al-Quaeda was created in response to US's invasion of Iraq, but it was actually formed a couple years earlier in response to Soviet-Afghan war. Still, the point stands as the guys got very offended by western forces presence on what they considered holy land
Is it bad when a doctor only saves lives because it pays well?
It would be very bad if the doctor is some kind of pervert who is only treating patients as a cover up for his obsession
Anyway, I get your point, but your example only shows that morality doesn’t really stop at borders for most people.
The point is, morality doesn't stop, but can be different across (abeit, blurry) cultural, religious, political or ideological lines. The US and allies cross a little more of those than Russia in this conflict, but that's a topic I'd rather not dive into. What I'm arguing here is against Putin's rhetoric which tells that "The only thing the collective west wants is to destroy Russia", so...
let's not kid ourselves, it’s at least partly because of that
I'd advise at least pretending that it's not and it's just being "the good guys". Fuckers like RT, Z-bots and other scum often take such comments and blow them into loudhailers to rally the support for the war. Trust me, "these guys just want to fuck you over" is quite a convincing argument. Besides, there's plenty of other reasons to support Ukraine
Trust me, "these guys just want to fuck you over" is quite a convincing argument. Besides, there's plenty of other reasons to support Ukraine
Because Russians are highly nationalistic and have an exceptional sense of...exceptionalism. They have a siege mentality that any outsiders are out to get them (they have been invaded multiple times after all), and that a firm hand ruling them is the only one who could save them from external threats. This leads to the ruling class by easily manipulating the public to support them by stoking nationalism. This stoking of nationalism leads to them craving to carve their own sphere of influence, both avoiding and scapegoating the West.
There are couple of comprehensive and well detailed video explanation of the Russian mindset, which I think is a blindspot for Westerners in understanding their worldview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8ZqBLcIvw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdFtqa54TuM
To summarise the videos in two words, basically say the Russians believe their country is "eternal" and "innocent". This idea stems all the way back from the 19th century with many prominent Russians holding the belief including Leo Tolstoy. This in turn influenced the post-Soviet Russian mindset that is fascistic. Many people cite Dugin as being Putin's influence, as a matter of fact, it was Ivan Ilyich. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ilyin?wprov=sfla1
Is that the Kraut I think it is? If so, I don't think I have enough salt to take with those.
Anyway, what's your point?
Kraut is a leftist YouTuber, not a politically incorrect username.
You could just, you know, read? Point being, the pro-Russian propaganda sounds "convincing" because the Russians are very nationalistic (and also many are too politically apathetic to protest) bunch to be dissuaded from supporting the war. Additionally, many ordinary Russians benefited from the war financially. Here's another video also putting the war into perspective for many: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebS9h_QSrbI
Kraut is a leftist YouTuber, not a politically incorrect username
I mean whether that's the "Kraut & Tea" guy. Just looked up - it is. You might want to google on that, too.
You could just, you know, read?
Did you? I'm saying "don't give food to propaganda" and you go on rambling about Russian mindset and how nationalistic they are. Even if true (not really), what does it have to do with the argument? The reason "they are out to get ya" is convincing has absolutely nothing to do with nationality or mindset. If someone comes to you with a recording of your neighbor planning on killing you, you will trust that person more than the neighbor, simple as that.
Heroiyam slava
I'm not sure a corvette has ever counted as "major" warship.
You're right, it's not, but it's what the Russians have. Keep in mind that the Black Sea is basically an oversized brackish lake, but is really important to the Russians because it has warm water ports. Russians love warm water ports. They also can get things into the Mediterranean from there, but they're bottle necked at either Gibraltar or Suez for getting out into the world's oceans.
Just looking at what they have in the Black Sea, they have no ships over 10k tons displacement since the Moskva sank. There's 5 ships around 5k tons, then 12 missile corvettes of 500 to 800 tons (one of which is the Askold mentioned in OP, and it was at the higher end of that range). The rest of the combat ships are things like submarines, landing craft, anti-submarine patrol, and a few others that aren't really relevant against Ukraine.
Considering what's left there, this is big, if not major. It was the biggest of their missile boats, and limits how many cruise missiles Russia can lob into Ukraine on any given day.
That's not gonna buff out
Awww how sad.
(Sad trombone sound)
Broken link?
Jeremy Clarkson saying oh no
That's unfortunate