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I’m working on a indie video game that’s set on a large ship and I’m looking to have it be a very hidden and elusive boat. (Speaking vaguely to avoid spoilers)

Where could it possibly be sailing through to avoid detection? Like no radars, land signals, etc..

There are slight sci fi elements that could explain it avoiding detection but want to make the location as believable as possible.

I’m not very familiar with oceans and the technology behind detecting vessels. Would love to be pointed in the right direction if anyone is knowledgeable.

Edit: Oh damn, this got a much bigger response than I expected. Thanks so much for all the awesome suggestions!

Edit2: Wow you guys have fantastic ideas! Just to clarify this is a real game project and not a joke or a cover for gold smugglers 😂

I am leaving hits and teases in my replies. Partially to have fun and build the world a little but also maybe get a bit of a community game going with a bread trail to follow. 😉🤫

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[–] shish_mish@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Pacific Ocean is massive and if a ship turns off its transponder it is invisible unless you have satellites in your game. Ships can easily disappear in the Pacific even with modern search and rescues when people really really want to find a ship[ in trouble, they sometimes can't. I have a friend that sails those waters and there are endless small islands, often uninhabited where he stays in small bays and inlets.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does he have any stories of weird/strange things he saw/heard on those small uninhabited islans?

[–] shish_mish@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nothing strange about the islands apart from him raving about the stunning beaches, waterfalls, and colorful wildlife. He once found a bale of weed, he kept it and never returned to that particular island. The strange stories he has all occurred out on the ocean. Swimming in bioluminescent water. A massive shape nearly 100m long surfaced his bow in the middle of the night and paced him for hours. It turned out to be a sub.
He has many stories about the ocean, he is convinced he saw UFOs, not necessarily aliens but definitely unidentified and very unusual crafts and he saw them go into the water. I believe him, he is not the type to be into conspiracies or make things up. He embellishes his stories a little but that is just him being a good storyteller. He was in the military and navy for 40 years so he knows the ocean well. The Pacific Ocean is an enormous space, there are military outposts but due to its size, they are few and far between. The Arctic is much much more surveilled due to all the big countries wanting a piece of it and with climate change opening the Bering Strait, this becomes very valuable. Good luck with your game, may it fare well and be profitable to you.

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Damn! Those are some amazing stories. Thanks for sharing.

There will likely be fancy sci-fi technology that would explain why the satellites can’t find the ship. Maybe a light reflecting cloak but I want to make it grounded whenever possible.

You’re given me a lot to think about.

[–] perviouslyiner@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

How about an NPT-style treaty? The satellites got sensitive enough to detect ballistic missile submarines (or the arctic ice melted so that they can't hide under the ice). Everyone realised that it would be catastrophic for nuclear nations not to have to worry about a retaliatory strike (because they can hit the submarines first), so the nations made an agreement that none of them would scan the oceans with satellites.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

satellites got sensitive enough to detect ballistic missile submarines

HOW?!

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Maybe there were so many satellites that at some point two collided and caused a bunch of space debris, which makes sending up satellites incredibly difficult and satellite usage limited to mostly communication?

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

I think a submarine, even of a hostile country, is probably your best option for a 100m-long underwater shadow rising in front of your boat. Much better than any living creature.

[–] SgtAStrawberry@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Well if it was a flying object that was unidentified it was indeed a UFO, but if it went swimming it was a USO or a UDO.

[–] wjrii@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

The Pacific Ocean is massive and if a ship turns off its transponder it is invisible unless you have satellites in your game.

So it seems like the key will be some combination of deactivating the transponder, getting away from other ships, being low profile in various EM wavelengths (difficult if it's also large), traveling with a significant cloud cover (hurricane?), escaping detection by military submarines and other sonar sources, and ending up in a place and condition where they're sheltered from all of the above. This seems very nearly impossible if everyone is already hunting for our intrepid vessel, but if there's some reason for people not to be looking right away, I can imagine plausible scenarios where the data takes long enough to come together for the necessary storytelling beats to play out.

[–] ChefTyler1980@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Literally anywhere outside the shipping lanes in the Pacific would do it. Even with satellite coverage, a large ship is still a tiny dot.

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fair enough. The ocean is fucking huge.

[–] SgtAStrawberry@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yep. There is even a part of the Pacific that is on the opposite side of another part of the Pacific. The Pacific is also home to Point Nemo with is the place on the ocean farthest away from land.

[–] ChefTyler1980@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Absolutely bonkers how large it is.

[–] fritata_fritato@lemmy.nz 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anywhere on this map that isn't full of boats. South Indian Ocean woukd be my guess:

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh wow! Didn’t know that existed. Thanks for sharing.

South Indian Ocean has been mentioned a few times now. 🤔

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Might also want to prioritize areas of low military significance - even if there are no commercial ships, you don't want areas where spy satellites are likely to be looking around for unknown vessels

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Good point! Will definitely have to look those up.

[–] prowess2956@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Pretty close there. 🤫

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It depends what you are hiding from. If you want to avoid notice from random encounters, you would want to head out to sea. So long as you're over the horizon from any shipping lanes, you're as close to invisible as you can get.

If your goal is to evade an active military search, you want clutter, and a lot of it. Military radar can sweep vast areas quickly. Satellites can spot ships at sea, so long as the sky is clear enough. Islands and coastline can mess with these however. Get into an out of the way bay, and throw up camo netting, and your ship is now just another bit of rock to the satellites, and it's part of the noise to radar. The cost of this cover is that it is also attractive to random tourist boats, or fishing boats.

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These are some very good questions!

The camo netting wouldn’t work on a ship this size.

So let’s say the ship isn’t being searched for but is actively trying not to be spotted on accident or by anyone.

The protagonist won’t have any nearby land to get to.

[–] modeler@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The camo netting wouldn’t work on a ship this size.

I think it probably could: https://youtu.be/9DSwXZ1esBQ?si=5SRwisQQo4pgRBh3

[–] teft@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Point Nemo. It’s the farthest point from land in the world.

[–] carbonprop@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe some place off the coast of Antarctica? It’s got a very low population of researchers. You could probably find a fairly hidden bay or harbour to park in.

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That’s a strong contender. Could also possibly be a gameplay mechanic with the outside of the ship being freezing and holes possibly let that cold in.

Overall I’m leaning more towards it being set in warmer waters for the sake of some elements like being able to coral dive in the surrounding waters for potential puzzle solutions.

[–] lntl@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most of the ocean you won't be detected in. There's just nobody looking for anyone out there. So stay away from eezs and littoral zones and you ll be alone in no time.

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks! Haven’t heard of those. I’ll look em up!

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They use silver nitrate injection to control hurricanes then travel in their eye

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Travelling in a hurricane’s eye is pretty damn awesome.

Realistically wouldn’t a 24/7 twister in the ocean not draw a lot of attention? Or do those exist?

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They only need them when they need to travel.

The trouble then becomes crossing the equator since (a) there’s probably a lot more satellite coverage at the equator and (b) hurricanes don’t cross the equator

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That’s true. Could be some kind of emergency system or a last minute resort when they are on the verge of getting caught.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would be invisible to radar once it’s over the horizon, but ships are always visible to satellites, the larger the easier to spot.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Was going to say...it's impossible to not be seen by space.

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[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Thought this was a play on that "sovereign AI ship" article from earlier.

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[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I suspect the motive of the protagonist will affect the answer to your question. What are they doing out there? If the goal is to catch fish, for example, maybe don't go somewhere with no fish, right?

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[–] HootinNHollerin@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russian oligarchs super yacht captains wanna know

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[–] spiderman@ani.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What are you trying to smuggle bruh?

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Just trying to have a fun time without interruptions. 🍾🎊

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

underwater?

[–] Moebius@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago
[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Most of it but point nemo is probably idealic for a video game setting

[–] Toes@ani.social 1 points 1 year ago

The classic bermuda triangle.

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