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Almost 90 bombs were dropped in one region in just 24 hours.

Russia unleashed an unprecedented bombardment in southern Ukraine overnight in what local officials described as a “massive attack” in the conflict which has continued to rage even as the international community’s attention has moved to the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.

The Ukrainian Internal Affairs Ministry on Monday morning said Russia dropped at least “87 aerial bombs on populated areas of the Kherson region - the largest number for all time.” At least eight people were also injured in other Russian strikes carried out in the Odessa region further to the west on Sunday night.

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[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 78 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Looks like it's all going according to Putin's plan.

I'm the last guy to put on a tinfoil hat, but the whole situation seems like it was engineered by Russia to take pressure off their war with the Ukraine.

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 56 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'd say it's simpler than that. Russia keeps funding regions it wants destabilized so something bad is always happening at a time good for Russia.

No tinfoil hat, but total Scumbag Putin.

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[–] SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

More likely an opportune moment for Putin. The Gaza conflict seems to have been primarily stoked by Iran over concerns of growing positive Israel and Saudi Arabia relations

[–] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And Russia has been purchasing large amounts of Iranian munitions. It's not that far fetched for Russia to simply throw some money at Iran to throw a bit less money at Hamas to start some shit

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 6 points 11 months ago

Iran does not now and never has needed Russian money to finance Hamas. This is a much older pre-existing relationship that its had with Hamas for decades. Furthermore, Iran and Hamas, as well as the other Iranian proxies, have a much greater interest than Russia in ensuring that Israel doesn't normalize relations with the KSA and other Arab nations. Accordingly, while Russia is happy to see this all go down, there's very little chance that they played any active role in it at all.

[–] nicetomeetyouIMVEGAN@lemmings.world 14 points 11 months ago

There was no real indication for the scope and intensity of the hamas attacks. Based on US and Israeli Intel. There were some kind of warning signs, but nothing pointing to this ferocity. I think fighters got far further than they could dream of, and the severity of the response is a direct reaction to the failure of the isreali army to see and stop the attack. It's difficult to believe that the kremlin had more and better information to know that an attack would lead to war on the scale we see today. And I'm willing to believe that Russia sees benefits in arming hamas through the lens of geopolitics, they aren't controlling the actions of hamas in any meaningful way, I certainly don't believe that.

Putin is just taking advantage and is absolutely never harmed by being seen as some kind of geopolitical mastermind. He isn't.

[–] Littleborat@feddit.de 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They said that the Hamas attack took at least one year to plan, maybe 18 months. Putin thought he would win the war on Ukraine quickly.

So I have my doubts that this was perfectly orchestrated to take attention away at the right time.

Russia and Iran's strategy is more likely loosely aligned.

[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Putin would have steamrolled Ukraine quickly if Trump had been reelected. There's a reason Russian troops massed on the Ukraine border right at the election. Putin couldn't back down when Trump lost, and lose face.

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[–] uis@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Given how much Putin spent on Israilian DPI and their other... systems, I don't see it impossible.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Looks like it’s all going according to Putin’s plan.

Which plan? Almost certainly not his first plan. I think plan B and C have been tried also.

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[–] MrFlamey@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Fuck Putin, the warmongering cunt. I hope Ukraine continues to get Western support and can kick Russia out of their country, however slim the chances might be looking right now. Russia extending its influence and things gradually going back to business as usual, only for them to do it again in another 10 years won't be good for any Western democracies.

Haven't really been following the Israel/Palestine thing much to be honest, but it would be nice if people would stop killing one another. Also really sucks that it benefits Putin.

[–] wandermind@sopuli.xyz 16 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I truly feel like if we let Russia get anything that might count as a positive for them from this war, there will definitely be a new war of at least similar scale, but probably significantly worse and significantly less contained.

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[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The chances aren't as slim as many people seem to imagine. Putin is basically in a holding pattern for now. He's holding out on the chance that Trump might win a second term, thus changing everything about the current dynamic. If Trump doesn't win, Putin is probably in pretty big trouble since he almost certainly won't survive a defeat in Ukraine and will be hard-pressed to find a good exit that doesn't look like one.

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[–] acidagfc@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Makes sense, UN can only produce a finite amount of concern, not enough to express it on 2 major conflicts.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (5 children)

UN doing absolutely diddly in two major theaters of conflict rather than just the one.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The UN's role is to prevent conflict between major powers, not stop all war period. It has done an exemplary job at that, better than any organization in history. There have been no wars between major world powers in the past 75 years. Prior to that, all empires were constantly at each other's throats.

[–] ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

idk how much of that really is the UN and how much can just be attributed to mutually assured destruction

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

Good point, but we can understand it as a parallel solution. People deride the UN as a debate society, but that's the point. Countries yell at each other and get domestic points that way instead of attacking each other.

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[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

At this point, pouring on the bombs (shortly after gloating that the new speaker in congress suits Russia) seems likely to be as much about shifting morale (getting Ukraine to worry that its support from the west will dry up with Kremlin toadies in control of Washington's purse strings) as it is about on-the-ground strategy or tactics.

It's not like new Israeli atrocities detracts significantly from the world's ability to pay attention to the atrocities in Ukraine, but anything that gives Moscow something else to gesture at gives it something to whatabout over, and getting the rest of the world (including nato members and US politicians) to fight amongst themselves (over whether it's better to back a genocidal ethnostate or the terrorists resisting it) is always a win when the alternative might be for them to unify against your invasion of Ukraine.

[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (27 children)

And still getting his ass kicked by civilian volunteers with drones.

Why don't the Russian people get rid of this asshole?

[–] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago (5 children)

It's a little harder than you imagine Source: I'm Russian

[–] Zevlen@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ye, me too brother. People think 🤔 Russia is like easily changeable or something... I think people forget just how many Russians and other people Russians have killed and imprisoned since Russia began so to say. I think people don't understand that Russia never had a democracy... Ever. I don't think people get that it's not easy to live and survive in Russia no matter when and where...

Also it's as if people pretend not to know that if You protest 🪧 anything in Russia; you're fucked.

People also don't know that the policemen rape people / men in prison. They torture You and rape you. At anytime You can be put in an MMA style fight against an opponent who will brutalize You before You die of the physical injuries.

I don't think people understand that if the world doesn't help to establish a democracy in Russia that Russia will always ; always go back to its corrupt ways.

I don't think people understand that there are also Russians who've been totally brainwashed just the same way that people got / get brainwashed in states like China, north Korea and Nazi Germany ( in the passed ) , imperial Japan etc.

I don't think people get that its not easy to be the hero a martar or organize a rebellion when you're under a violent regime and when all you have is your small family or none at all

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[–] Zevlen@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Gosh.... Why didn't the Germans kill Hitler? Why didn't Japanese kill their "emperor" during world war 2? Why didn't soviets kill Stalin or lenin ? What's up with the dictators in China, why didn't the Chinese kill them ? Why don't the north Koreans kill their "leader"? Why didn't Iraqi people kill Saddam Husain? Why didn't Syria kill their Bashar al Assad? Why didn't the Cubans kill Fidel Castro? Why didn't the French kill Napoleon Bonaparte?

Maybe 🤔😏 people just LOVE living under dictatorial regimes?

Who knows?... We'll probably never know...

/S

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We were all wondering how Trump made it out alive tbh

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[–] AMillionNames@sh.itjust.works 23 points 11 months ago

The world watching has never stopped him before.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 22 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It is amazing how the news cycle dropped Ukraine so fast. Not good for getting US support, but I think Ukraine can still get support from Europe.

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[–] joker125@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What a totally unforeseeable situation.

[–] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 20 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Can we please give the armed forces of Ukraine finally airplanes? The offensive is going nowhere if they are not supplied with an edge in combat gear.

[–] mifan@feddit.dk 24 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately it’s not that easy.

They have already got a large sum of F16’s, but it takes training of Ukrainian pilots before they can be used in combat.

From what I understand they should be ready to fly in early 2024. That still a long time to go - but you don’t want to lose pilots or planes because of inexperience with that type of airplane.

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[–] WuTang@lemmy.ninja 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • Russian: fighting an armed country and fueled by NATO members
  • Israel: fighting. I mean BOMBING from their heated offices, civil without shoes and haven't sleep for 2weeks

Oh and between, Russia has been cut off from SWIFT, assets frozen if not stolen, etc etc... Israel? freepass

You can't make more cynical, and binary treatment, you can't

[–] ___@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

I don’t support Israel, but the Russians attacked unprovoked. They’re not 1:1.

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[–] RealPuyo@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Resol@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think he doesn't want Laos to be the most bombed country in the world anymore.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

90 bombs is more what was dropped per second there, not per day

[–] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah calling 90 bombs 'record' is a deep, almost orange hue of piss yellow journalism

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