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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by mogul@lemmy.world to c/unpopularopinion@lemmy.world
 

I have kids that I raise, they are great kids, I love them to death but if someone thinks kids aren't a burden (of any sort) than they're lying.

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[–] kevinbacon@lemmy.world 61 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Who tf thinks they aren't a burden, how is this an unpopular opinion?

[–] mogul@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Trust me, there are people who think it's a sin to use the word "burden" when speaking of kids. They are insane IMO

[–] soloner@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Sounds like they have the unpopular opinion

[–] Oneeightnine@feddit.uk 13 points 10 months ago

There's so much stigma around this sort of thing. It's getting better, but the mindset that children are a gift and parents should be constantly grateful for that gift is still very prevalent.

The reality is that whilst children are absolutely incredible, life affirming and all that good stuff...an awful lot of being a parent is frankly, horrible.

[–] Johandea@feddit.nu 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

People who believes in sin are insane. Pay them no mind

[–] mogul@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago
[–] Jikiya@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In the history of the world, probably only baby boomers and maybe some of X thought this. Any time else in history, kids are there only due to the desire to fuck. Hell, the Romans drove a plant extinct with their need for birth control.

[–] mogul@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I imagine any time in history where a family needed loads of kids for labor probably was like "they aren't a burden when they are free labor" lol

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[–] sverit@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago

Many people think it, few people say it out lout.

[–] ChihuahuaOfDoom@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago

Today on wildly popular opinion

[–] foyrkopp@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] NOSin@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

I kinda wish it would expand on the fact that for some people, the constant care and all that is not for them, and doesn't make it "a good deal" Other than that it's a great summary, coming from someone that doesn't want any.

[–] Aermis@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Literally standing in my kitchen right now reading this at 645am, awake since 4 because my sick 2 year old has been crying and screaming non stop, my wife in bed upstairs with our 2 day old new born, and I'm covered in peanut butter trying to make a nutritious lunch for my 5 year old for school. I have to wake her up soon to get her started. Make eggs for breakfast.

Her booster seat isn't fitting in the middle seat between my sons car seat and infant newborn car seat. So I have to fix that before we leave. My son is most likely drawing on the walls in the entertainment room.

And before 9 I need to feed the chickens and relieve my wife from her sleepless night with a newborn.

Burden is an understatement. Having a sore back is a burden. Having kids is a dynamic lifestyle change. And while sometimes I imagine not having kids and how amazing it would be to be free from that lifestyle, it always comes to the same conclusion: I wouldn't exchange my family life for anything. My children are me and I wouldn't remove them as much as I wouldn't remove my back because it was sore.

[–] mogul@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

First of all, keep up the good work, it sounds like you're an awesome dad and husband my man. I never wanted kids but I now have 6, some of them put me through some shit but I wouldn't trade any of it for a child-free life.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How do you end up with 6 kids if you never wanted any?

[–] mogul@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

A crazy amount of things, dem ass and titties, a partner you think you'd be together with forever, a partner that didn't believe in abortions, having one kid and thinking it wasn't so bad, lying to myself that it'd be no more than 2, did I mention dem ass and titties? Those can be so persuasive when the little guy is doing the thinking.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dem ass and titties are not how she gets pregnant... I would blame education. (/s I know the feeling)

[–] mogul@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Someday I'll know where babies come from.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hah! Nice and easy to understand answer. Welp, you'll have amazing family holidays when your kids have kids, and you'll have no shortage of people who can help you when you get old. I only had one kid and sometimes I regret it. I always imagined I'd have a lot of little kids to mentor when I hit middle age, but there are none. It's odd. I mean I enjoy the freedom, but there's definitely a different type of cost.

[–] mogul@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There is just so much more to it but the reality is I did have a bunch of kids with the same woman and I didn't want to be a shit parent like mine were so now I can't see my life without them and it is worth it. As for what the future holds for them as adults and me as being an old man is still waiting to be seen but I wouldn't turn away that life you described.

There are lots of people who are 40+ regretting not having kids and wanting their own now but it's just getting tougher. There is always kids in need of good mentors so check out things like Big Brother, Big Sisters or maybe coaching if you're into sports.

I have 6 kids but I still think about fostering kids since I can't adopt (they don't like single parents).

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I actually have been thinking about fostering or adopting! It's an enormous commitment though, so it has only been a vague thought so far. My wife and I were talking about having a kid in 2019 and then 2020 happened and we decided we don't want to bring a new life into this world. But I wouldn't be entirely opposed to helping an existing life have a better one.

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[–] justlookingfordragon@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Anyone who does NOT think kids are a burden either doesn't have kids or doesn't give a sh*t about raising them right. If you are an actually responsible adult and parent, and you intend to give your kids all the attention, care and love they demand and deserve, then it WILL be taxing. It WILL eat up your time and energy for years to come. You WILL have sleepless nights, and unexpected challenges. You WILL be exhausted, frustrated and defeated at times.

The difference is that good parents feel like that tradeoff is worth it. That your beloved family / children matter most, even tho they are a burden. This isn't an "either/or" situation where struggling automatically means that you can't be happy about the struggle. Children can be the light of your life AND the most annoying thing in the universe at the same time, and a good parent will still love them whatever happens.

[–] 01011@monero.town 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Children ARE a burden but entitled parents are a bigger burden.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Entitled parent: "I raised you, you owe me!!!"

Child: "you made a decision to bring me in to the world, I had no say in this at all"

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I live them to death

Is that a typo or the unpopular part?

[–] mogul@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago
[–] waz@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

If I don't put gas in my car it won't move. Fueling my car is a burden, but generally I think it is worth it.

[–] Streetdog@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago

Yes, don't forget to fuel your kids.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 4 points 10 months ago

Praising cars on lemmy? It's a bold move, Cotton.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I would argue that fuel and kids are not a burden as it is a net positive. Burden would imply for no gain.

[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Idk how unpopular this is. Everyone I've ever talked to said that children are a burden. Of course they are. It's hard work to grow plant, lol, and these are whole people. The acronym DINK exists for a reason. That said, it's a worthwhile burden. I love being a parent.

Who have you met that said raising kids isn't a burden?

[–] mogul@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

They exists, they are the people who wants kids and can't have them, the people who think kids can do no wrong, and then there's my ex-wife who actually is burden by our kids when she has them but doesn't want to say they are a burden because it would make her look bad lol

[–] rynzcycle@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I went to a Nerd Night where a positive psychologist shared about PERMA, a break down of the pillars of being happy: Positive Emotion, Engagement, Relationships, Meaning, and Accomplishment.

Her take on kids (based on her research) was that P,E,R, and A definitely take a hit, but parents consistently had the highest happines when it came to Meaning in their life. Overall advice on the question of "Do kids make you more happy than no kids?" was "It really depends on the person."

[–] mogul@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Sounds like an interesting Nerd Night.

[–] Crystalizts@startrek.website 9 points 10 months ago (4 children)
[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 points 10 months ago

Amen, fellow misanthropist.

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[–] Oneeightnine@feddit.uk 9 points 10 months ago

Yup.

I've got two (5,1). I absolutely adore them both, but I'd be lying if I said that having kids hasn't made my life significantly harder, my mental health significantly worse and my sense of self significantly weaker.

[–] Enzy@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

Solution: don't have kids

Solution two: use protection

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (8 children)

than they are lying

? Really? Jesus fuck

[–] 7u5k3n@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Misspelled memes / titles get more attention and up votes :/

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[–] ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I think burden is the wrong word. It implies an overall negative effect on life, like saying that playing a sport is a burden because you have to dedicate time and energy to it. Yes, my daughter does take up a huge part of my life and I've had to give up hobbies in order to make time for her.

Responsibility and commitment, yes.

Burden, no.

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[–] bstix@feddit.dk 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In comparison to what? Not having children?

I dunno. Yeah they cost money and take time, but it's what I want to do with my money and my time.

If I didn't have children I'd be burdened with stuff like eating out everyday and travelling the world. Those are also really cumbersome things to do. Cost money and take time.

I guess it is called living. I think it's alright.

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[–] Shou@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I don't want children, but I wish I would know how to handle a child so I can help out family in case needed.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You might want to take a look at The Montessori Child. It's a book aimed at parents to make early childhood the best it can be for the kids.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If the children are not some sort of extreme assholes or very young, you don't need special skills to handle them. The difficult thing is being with them all the time, so helping sometimes is not that hard.

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