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The Israel-Gaza war is "taking away the focus" from the conflict in Ukraine, the country's President Volodymyr Zelensky has admitted.

He said this was "one of the goals" of Russia, which launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

And he denied that fighting in Ukraine had reached a stalemate, despite a recent assessment to this effect by the country's top military general.

Ukraine's counter-offensive in the south has so far made little headway.

This has prompted fears of war fatigue among Kyiv's Western allies, with suggestions of growing reluctance in some capitals to continue giving Ukraine advanced weapons and funds.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 76 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Never thought I'd agree with Zelensky about something related to Israel. Ukraine deserves aid much more than Israel.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you take him at his word, then that implies that Putin and Iran teamed up together to start conflict in Gaza, purposely to reduce support for the Ukraines in their war.

Be really sad if it's true, as that means people are dying in a war in one part of the world to support a war in another part of the world, a war they have no part in.

[–] AMillionNames@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

It's creating a new front in regards to the proxy wars. Russia still has the numerical advantage over Ukraine in regards of people it throws into the grinder, but now Iran can get more involved by trying to harass through the Israel-Hamas conflict which decreases the provisions available for Ukraine.

[–] Historical_General@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Has Zelensky ever condemned Israel's war crimes? As one occupied people to another?

[–] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 7 points 10 months ago

Sounds like a strategy with little to win and a lot to lose. He would be angering the nations giving him all his supplies and giving Russian bots fuel for the "Ukrainian nazi" story.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is this how we turn against him now? Because he hasn't spoken out about this other conflict in a whole different region being fought for completely different reasons by unrelated people?

Please spare me this crap.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

No no, Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Palestine and Iran are colluding to enrich the military industrial complex!!1!

[–] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What is taking away the focus is the fact that he supported the ethnic cleansing and genocide that Israel is committing in Palestine. So he thought that these things are not inherently bad, but only bad when they are happening to yourself - and fuck everyone else.

Now he's just finding out that that might not have been the smartest move, if he have to explain to the world again that they must give a fuck about his war.

[–] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works -1 points 10 months ago

Really? Zelenskyy supports Israel killing civilians?

[–] Drunemeton@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I hate to say it, but within minutes of hearing about the attack by Hamas against Israel, the unexpectedness of it, and the scale of it, I asked myself, “Who’s funding this,” and, “Who gains by this?” And my brain replied, “Putin.”

Sure enough within days his puppets in our government (the USofA GOP) start talking about reducing/stopping aid to Ukraine.

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's really the greatest example of fuck around find out.

Punch someone in the head and they turn around and belt you, you kind of deserve it.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works -1 points 10 months ago

I really don’t think that’s what’s being said here.

[–] gnomesaiyan@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you think this is bad, just wait until China goes for Taiwan. "Like butter that has been scraped over too much bread."

[–] stella@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

China is not going to go for Taiwan.

Wish you guys would get this fantasy out of your heads.

[–] i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] stella@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Let us know by what time you think China will invade Taiwan.

When that year comes and the invasion doesn't happen, either admit you're wrong or double-down.

[–] deft@ttrpg.network 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

he said source.

as in, reason us why? china has clearly expressed this desire over Taiwan, why wouldn't it invade ever at all on a timeline?

[–] stella@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't care what he said.

How much time needs to pass before you admit you're wrong?

[–] deft@ttrpg.network 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

then shut the fuck up you unanswering cunt. lmfao what arrogance

[–] stella@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] deft@ttrpg.network 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] stella@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Alright. Let me know when China invades Taiwan and then I can admit when I'm wrong.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

Alright. Let me know when China invades Taiwan and then I can admit when I’m wrong.

When that happens, we'll all be worrying about other very more important things than your fragile ego, to take the time to let you know.

[–] i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

these reditgrants are sure pain in the ass.

i just asked for proof and they started blabbing. at the same time these hypocrites also dislike religions.

[–] stella@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Okay. 10 years. 20? How much time needs to pass before you admit when you're wrong?

When do you think China is going to invade Taiwan? 1000 years from now? Lol.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Okay. 10 years. 20? How much time needs to pass before you admit when you’re wrong?

While they been talking about it for a long time, true, what's change is that in recent times they've been building up their military forces a lot, and doing very political/military moves in the waters between them. They're definitely ramping up on their actions and/or responses, signaling, probing. And this is new.

How far that escalation goes, nobody knows, but usually if somebody says they're going to do something, you should take them at their word that they're going to do what they said they were going to do, at some point in time.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

Generally speaking, you should consider that some of them are actually bots/shills sowing unrest to shape a narrative.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

he said source.

as in, reason us why? china has clearly expressed this desire over Taiwan, why wouldn’t it invade ever at all on a timeline?

I don’t care what he said.

How much time needs to pass before you admit you’re wrong?

Wow, you didn't just move the goal posts, you shipped them cross state.

And that ratio, yikes!

[–] stella@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Dang, you're really dedicated to this.

Lol, gonna block you now. Getting annoying seeing you reply to all my posts.

[–] Oderus@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dang, you’re really dedicated to this.

Do you really lack self-awareness? lol

[–] stella@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I don't click on people's profiles then respond to all their posts, lol.

Gonna block you too, though. Thanks for the reply.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

I don’t click on people’s profiles then respond to all their posts, lol.

There's this thing, it's called, "scrolling down", when reading a conversation topic.

Nice attempt to 'Kill the Messenger' though.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Dang, you’re really dedicated to this.

It's called normal scrolling, and seeing your next comment.

Lol, gonna block you now. Getting annoying seeing you reply to all my posts.

Actually, this is not the first time you told me you were blocking me. Please try to get it right this time.

If you can't handle disagreement with your opinions, move on, or stick your head in the sand, aka block.

[–] rockandsock@lemm.ee -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don't focus on them...

What about meeeeeeeeeee?

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

Diverting aid from fighting fascists so that we can fund fascists. Yes, it's fucked up.