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What do overnight shift workers do when the clocks change? (lemmy.world)
submitted 10 months ago by multicolorKnight@lemmy.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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If you are at work in the middle of the night when the clocks change, do you work an extra hour in the spring and one less in the fall?

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[–] notapantsday@feddit.de 53 points 10 months ago (3 children)

At my hospital it's just luck of the draw. If you get the night shift in the spring, you work an hour less while being paid the same and in the autumn you're working an (unpaid) extra hour.

The craziest thing was when my girlfriend had a patient die of non-natural causes during that night. In these cases, police have to be notified so they can investigate whether there was any wrongdoing. The police arrived a few minutes before the time of death of the patient, because in the meantime the clocks had been moved back an hour. Apparently they had also never had that situation before, so they were unsure how to document it correctly.

[–] themusicman@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That bit about the pay sounds highly illegal

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you are salaried, it isn't. But we know that salaried always mean you must work your full week and sometimes extra hours without more pay. But it never means you can work less hours with the same pay.

[–] themusicman@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is not true where I live (New Zealand). Any hours over the weekly maximum specified in the contract (no more than 40 per week) are considered paid overtime. Additionally, the employer can't unilaterally reduce the number of hours from what's written in the contract.

[–] Jikiya@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The US also has 'salaried - non-exempt' which would require the employer to pay for time above 40 hours. Manufacturing jobs aren't allowed to be exempt from overtime pay. It is generally white collar workers that are allowed to be exempt from overtime pay.

[–] mxcory@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I believe part of being exempt requires you to be over 2 or more employees and have a say in businesses decisions. (Not 100% sure about the business decision part. Been a while since I read up on it.)

[–] themusicman@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Basically a clause to accommodate ladder climbers?

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

I assume you'd notate 1:15 EST then an hour later 1:15 EDT for standard vs daylight saving

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don’t they use UTC in this case?

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

It's probably hand written on paper so probably just local time

[–] RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago

Once a year? Suffer. The second time? Celebrate.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@kbin.social 25 points 10 months ago

As a doctor, we would work and hour more or less depending on the shift changed. Im paid a supplement to work out of hours rather than by the hour, so we'd just suck it up of working an extra hour and be happy if we worked less.

If you're paid hourly then you'd be paid for the time you worked.

But shift starts and finishes were unchanged, it was just the length that got altered.

[–] DharmaCurious@startrek.website 23 points 10 months ago

Typically, your shift is just an hour longer/shorter. Though, I've worked for companies that tried to scam me, and pay me for 8 hours on the night with 9 hours, under the guise that they would pay me 8 hours on the night with 7. Nope. I don't trust your ass, and I don't know that I'll still be working here in 6 months. I'll take my $8.75 for tonight, tyvm.

[–] DBT@artemis.camp 19 points 10 months ago

Our 12hr shift folks did 13 hours last night. Anything over 12 in one shift is double time pay, so there’s that.

[–] Knitwear@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Yup Lemme tell you, adding an extra hour onto what was already a 13hr night shift on hospital wards, for no extra pay, was roooouuugh

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They were probably breaking labor laws if they weren't paying you for the DST extra hour you worked. They have to compensate you for actual time worked.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If one is salaried… that’s probably not true.

Hourly it’s absolutely true, though.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Many salaried employees are misclassified to begin with though

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

My friend is a night shift nurse and he just told me that his job turns that hour into overtime. Because the rules is a shift is a very specific set of hours and anything above that is thrown into overtime pay.

Are y'all unionized?

[–] lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

I had to work overnight during a clock change.

All I had to do was log 10 hours, so it didn't really matter.

[–] CarlsIII@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago

Whatever your boss tells you I guess

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

I used to work at a transplant coordinator, and you had to account for every minute of time an organ was on ice. There were a lot of extra notes for those nights, because while the software for charts was automatic, the doctors would look at in and do the math wrong.

I also worked through a leap second New Years Eve, but we didn't really need to do anything with that.

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Yup. Used to work 12s overnight. We'd get a 13 here and an 11 there.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 11 points 10 months ago

Work extra in fall. In spring it's up to how your supervisor wants you to do it.

[–] Rocky60@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, that’s how we do it. Employees on 8 hour restrictions go after 8 hours though

[–] Pugsley@aussie.zone 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What’s an example of an 8 hour restricted role / rule? Is it a medical reason thing or nature of the job or something? Never heard of it before

[–] UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca 9 points 10 months ago

I think semi truck drivers and locomotive drivers are restricted by hours.

[–] Rocky60@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Employees who have documented injuries can get an 8 hour restriction. We have a ridiculous amount of overtime where I work.

[–] vettnerk@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago

When I worked on a ship, we coordinated with the other 12-hour shift so both of us got 30 minutes of the offending hour.

[–] ropegirth@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 10 months ago

Depends on the laws of the country you're in and the quality of the company you work for. But usually you work more for free, or you work the normal amount anyway.

[–] Turbofish@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I worked the extra hour which is overtime.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Work an extra hour, we get a 7 hour shift in the spring too

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 3 points 10 months ago

At my work the people on shift either leave an hour early (when clocks go forward shift ends at 7am and leave at 7am for example) or they leave early (shift ends at 7am but you leave at 6am after being there a full 12 hours) depending on which way the time goes.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I've got an hour to go on my shift. It was just an extra hour of working on my nixos htpc config that I'll get paid OT for.

[–] Narrrz@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

suffer.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yup. The change in the us happens at 3am, so who ever is working gets a longer or shorter shift.

If you’re hourly, your time gets cut (and you maybe get overtime on the long night… if you’re full time,)

[–] bronzle@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

2am -> 1am. Here in Seattle our bars close at 2am, I was told they aren’t supposed to stay open the extra hour, but the local bar near me did the only time I was there for the change.

[–] HangingFruit@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

When I was working shifts, we either got one hour less on the shift, or we got on hour extra break. Still sucked

[–] Artichuth@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I worked security at an amusement park and happened to work a late shift when we switched to DST. Instead of getting off at 3 a.m., we all got off at 4 a.m. We were all pretty pissed because we didn't get OT.

[–] jupyter_rain@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 months ago

For me it was working the extra hour/one hour less without touching my Overtime.

[–] Oneeightnine@feddit.uk 1 points 10 months ago

Well firstly, any new staff inevitably ask the 'do we work an hour more/less' depending on the circumstance.

Aside from that, not much else changes. One Sunday morning I'd finish at 6 and then six months later I'd have a Sunday where I finished at 8.

Fortunately I never worked Sunday nights, so I never felt like I was losing much after work time.