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[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 134 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Thankfully no guns were hurt during the incident.

-Republicans probably

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 35 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The problem is there wasn't a nearby cop that could have shot everyone, that would have sold the problem.

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[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 123 points 10 months ago (4 children)

This is so American. From the availability of firearms, to their immediate use upon a perceived threat, to the economic situation that would have him evicted, to the insane sentence of 100 years for a 66 year old who needs an oxygen tank. Just sad all around.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think 100 years is insane, it's life without parol without actually saying it. He shot two people tried to shoot another and actually killed the youngest.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 51 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Other countries don't follow the punitive approach to criminal law, but rather a reformative. With the facts we are presented with it actually seems more like a failure of society instead of just one man. The sentence is absolutely ridiculous.

[–] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

There are cases to reform somebody, and I fully agree that we must try that. In some cases. Which this is absolutely not.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Well an arguement could be made that he's not going to do it again.

Think about the distinction between a contract killer and somebody who committed a crime of passion. Are both of those people equally likely to reoffend?

If the objective is to either reform someone or simply remove a threat from society then both cases require different approaches.

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[–] MudSkipperKisser@lemmy.world 85 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s okay, just now on the news I saw that a man successfully shot and killed his 21 year old son, so the universe is now balanced.

[–] Baines@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago (3 children)

clearly this 8 year old and that 21 year old should have been packing

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 11 points 10 months ago

Obviously. The solution is always more guns.

[–] weew@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

the only thing that can stop a bad senior with a gun is a good toddler with a gun

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[–] elbucho@lemmy.world 83 points 10 months ago (4 children)

So this article makes it seem like he's got dementia and was under the spell of a delusion when shooting his partner & daughter. But it's written so vaguely that it's hard to know for sure. So I found another article that seems to be much more clear about what happened:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/who-is-tony-louis-valez-father-sentenced-to-100-years-in-prison-for-killing-daughter-while-shooting-wife-and-son/ar-AA1jkw2q

TL;DR: 66-year-old man is in rough shape; has Hepatitis B, Emphysema, and COPD, and needs an oxygen tank. His partner (a much younger woman), their daughter together (8 years old), and his son from a previous marriage (18) all came to his house. The article doesn't say what happened in the conversation, but he apparently became enraged thinking they were trying to get him out of the house. My guess is that they were trying to get him to go into a care facility due to his many, many ailments.

Dude saw red, grabbed a gun, and started blasting. Shot his partner, then tried shooting his son, missed, and hit his 8-year-old daughter in the back as she was running away from him.

So it sounds much less like dementia (though that could still very well be a factor), and more like a miserable piece of shit reaching for a gun first to solve all of his problems.

[–] clutch@lemmy.ml 18 points 10 months ago

Paradoxically he ended up in a sort of care facility. Some "care" but maybe not the care he needed

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago

It can be both, though. He could be a sack of shit who is now going through dementia.

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 75 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Why didn't the 8 year old have a gun to defend herself with? That's the only thing that could have saved her life!

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[–] Spacebar@lemmy.world 69 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 59 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (8 children)

Fuck religion, alcohol, politics, financial inequality, unaffordable health care and brain dead sports fans.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 17 points 10 months ago

Yes, but fuck guns extra hard.

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[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 64 points 10 months ago (1 children)

wtaf?

Valez believed that two women had come to the house to evict him and he lost his temper

so… how did that relate to his partner and son?

so confused

[–] Baines@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (34 children)

daughter in law and his partner were the two women maybe?

article is kinda bad

yet another shining example of the kind of quality republican needed to prove the value of the second amendment

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[–] ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Boomers don't need guns.

Dementia + lethal weapons. Terrible combination.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 21 points 10 months ago (79 children)

Pretty much no one in rich countries need guns these days, no matter the generation.

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[–] Baines@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

don’t forget drugs, tons of drugs

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[–] LollerCorleone@kbin.social 46 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I am confused by the way this is reported. Did he mistake his son and his ex-partner to be officers who had come to evict him and shoot at them? Or did he hold them responsible for his looming eviction?

Anyway, US really need better gun control. Looks like any nutjob can get a gun there. It is tragic to see a young life ending this way.

[–] lmaydev@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Also the fact a mentally healthy person can snap in the heat of the moment.

If there's a gun nearby that can be all it takes.

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[–] Stanard@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago (5 children)

A quote from the judge according to the article:

"I just can't believe being evicted would justify picking up a handgun in that small of a space with children present"

What I find particularly concerning about this is that this implies that being evicted would justify picking up a handgun provided you're not in an enclosed space with children present. Why in the actual fuck would there be any further qualification after "I just can't believe being evicted would justify picking up a handgun". Full stop. You're being evicted. You fucked up. Firearms don't belong in that conversation at all with the only possible exception I can think of being if you are being directly and illegally threatened with a firearm.

Ugh.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They were just listing all of the reasons why it was a bad idea, not qualifying each reason as "okay if the other ones didn't occur".

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[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 22 points 10 months ago

I can fully see your inference, but don't believe that the judge meant it that way. This was more lamenting the senselessness of the entire situation.

[–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Another way to look it at is that there are situations in which picking up a handgun in a small space with children present is justified; however, being evicted is not one of them.

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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 41 points 10 months ago

Let's be real, he intended to shoot everyone. He's dodging his intent to murder a child before being put in with inmates who will know that.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Good thing there are guns everywhere so a momentary burst of anger turns into a permanent tragedy.

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[–] wildcardology@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (10 children)

He's supposed to be one of the "good guys" with a gun?

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[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is what libertarian thought does to a person. People lose all sense of perspective.

[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

It's like gaslighting yourself. Huffing it hard. I honestly think it has to do with lower intelligence. You simplify things until they make sense to you, regardless if they make sense in actual reality, because you're too stupid to comprehend anything more complex than racist Disney cartoons from the 30's.

[–] UnspecificGravity@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 10 months ago

Virtually every libertarian I know thinks that he's a fucking genius, especially the really stupid ones.

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 15 points 10 months ago

Out shitty society created this situation. People need a secure place to live, and we need proper social securities in place.

And guns need to be regulated.

[–] Meho_Nohome@sh.itjust.works 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Valez believed that two women had come to the house to evict him

Did 2 women come to the house? Was he just hallucinating? Was he on drugs? The story is not very clear.

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[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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