People who use Firefox probably also have some gripes against Google's work, but I sure as fuck don't want anything to do with Yahoo
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As a FF user: Mozilla has such a small market share now, they should experiment with search. Maybe don't make another "deal" with another ad based search engine, but invent your own decentralized search or mozilla search or whatever.
While I’d prefer the do that also, I think the issue is that Google pays them so much, they couldn’t afford to exist without it.
I mean, they could. They have been cutting costs in the wrong areas, though - those harder to replace if exgoogled. There's plenty of unnecessary fat in Mozilla as an organization. They have been doing lots of expensive (in terms of developer and testing resources) unneeded crap (apparently to support the appearance of relevancy, which is different from relevancy itself), they also don't need that many management people.
Let's please remember how Mozilla started. Yes, a browser back then and a browser now are two completely different things, but the imbalance in resources has always been there. It's just that now they are spreading resources where they shouldn't, to imitate Chrome in things secondary to a browser itself. They don't have the resources for that even with Google, and of course they won't otherwise.
Also supporting something like XULRunner or in general olden times Gecko would help, so that people could use FF's engine like they still do with Chromium and Webkit. That would increase the amount of people contributing in various ways.
That's how I see it, my humble opinion and all that.
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It's pretty much their only revenue stream, considering they give all the software away and don't have ads in the browser.
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That's the core of the trial though, right? That through these deals and other things Google does to stay dominant, they stifle the market for competition. Ie Edge, Chrome, and every other Chromium-based browser pushes Google to the end users and FF pushes some unfamiliar search platform, then there's an uphill, arguably unfair, battle for it to gain enough market share to be sustainable.
The only reason that would work is if they used user search data to sell to advertisers or show ads themselves. That's how Google search makes money, but it's antithetical to everything Mozilla is trying to market themselves as: a privacy oriented browser.
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Just don’t use gogle.
“Google's core argument that its search engine wins default status due to its quality, not due to anticompetitive behaviors.”
Then why pay Apple 20 billion for default star?
The answer is because someone else will
The biggest risk for Google would be for Apple to enter the search market. It’s not hard, as proven by smaller players like DuckDuckGo, but it’s risky enough that Apple takes the 20B and consider it a good deal.
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Boo fucking hoo. Mozilla isn't a saint and could benefit from a shake up as well. Mozilla's dependency on Google is dangerous for all of us.
The biggest loser if the DOJ doesn't win is literally everyone.
I will bite whatever bullet I have to if it means the end of Google hegemony.
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Another interesting comment Mozilla's takeaway from the experiment was that Firefox "users made it clear that they look for and want and expect Google.”
that's not really Mozilla's fault, users are too locked into Google and that's ultimately Google's fault.
Although I don't like at all that Mozilla is funded by Google and testified in their favor.
I saw it more as testifying about why they did what they did
Ultimately the message is still 'we had to use Google to survive, they have that much control over the space'
I'm of two minds. I use Firefox for privacy reasons and don't use Google if I can avoid it, but I have to admit that chrome was leagues better than other popular browsers at the time. It's no accident that they ran away with the market share even when IE was on everyone's computer by default.
Now they've gotten huge and their search engine has gone to shit. So it goes with infinite growth. I'm with Firefox for now, but I've learned the hard way not to totally trust any piece of software.
You can export EVERYTHING, Forward email, and have alternatives for every thing. It's incredibly easy to move away from Google.
It's a choice. There is no lock in.
oh definitely. I haven't used a Google service in 5 years. But Google's lock in is not forced, it's one that relies on people tech illiteracy, comfort and not knowing better.
I'm surpsied (but obviously shouldn't be) that that many potential users would instantly bounce off Firefox instead of changing the default search engine.
Honestly, the association with Yahoo just makes the platform look like a joke. Like, the first time you do a search and it pops up as Yahoo your first instinct is thinking you're using the wrong thing.
Yup it could be literally anything else but yahoo
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Yahoo was a massive failed effort, but it hardly even compares to that haircut.
Google is def an L.
Yahoo a bigger L for sure.
But the biggest L is making fun of other peoples appearances.
Why don't you post a picture of yourself so we can make shitty comments about you?
The haircut literally looks like an L
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Is this the same CEO who fired the entire documentation team and then gave herself a raise?
Most internet users:
Most people tbf
Is! Yahoo! still! a! thing!?!
Surprisingly, they're still in the top 10 most visited websites. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-visited_websites
I wouldn't be surprised if it's because their stock data and viewing is pretty mature and a lot of people would go for that alone.
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We all know somebody who never stopped using their embarrassing email address from the 2000s. It's all their fault
I still use my Hotmail address but it's only for signing up for stuff. It's spamtown in there.
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I don't understand what's going on with her hair.
Kind of looks like she fell asleep watching a toddler, and it decided to cut her hair.
The CEO short-term logic makes sense: Yahoo search = Lower cost = Higher profit margin = Happy shareholders = Happy CEO
But she forgot that: Yahoo search = Shit
And then it happened
Really? All this over something that is very easily modified by the user?
Don't underestimate the combination of lazy and stupid.
Most people really don't care what browser or search engine they use as long as it gets the job done. I wouldn't call it lazy or stupid, it's just the reality of humans who have to pick and choose what they spend energy on. Yahoo search has been around a few years longer than Google and it sucked (and still sucks), that's why people decided it was worth going elsewhere. If you're going to try and wrench people out of their comfort zones, you've gotta put on a better first impression.
Yeah... And what about the 60 millions users lost since 2019? Will Mozilla find someone else to blame?
Where's Jeeves when we need him? I'd ask him but…
If you have a few bucks, Kagi search is awesome and you can customize domain rankings.
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Amazing that people would run away over that. People really are Luddites.
Luddites didn't oppose the technology itself, but the distribution of the profits it brought and were fighting for workers' rights.
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