Yes, its quite obvious to everyone that has no power in the world.
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The only thing I think of with this conflict is the Doctor Who speech on war:
Because it's not a game, Kate. This is a scale model of war. Every war ever fought right there in front of you. Because it's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken! How many lives shattered! How much blood will spill until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning -- sit down and talk!
A beautiful sentiment, but sometimes it's about forcing people to sit and talk who wouldn't otherwise do so. It's rare, but the US civil war was an unfortunate necessity.
Everybody just needs to sit in a room and do Molly together. No war. Just massage.
For real, though,
MDMA is shockingly good at conflict resolution, lol.
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Yes; Ultimately, there will be an agreement at the negotiation table.
But as long as there is a disagreement over where that final line will be drawn ...
As long as one party thinks they can get a better result on the battlefield ...
The fighting will continue.
I'd love to see the war hawks from all sides put in a fighting ring. No more sending people to die for their inability to converse peaceably. You wanna fight? Do it in the ring. No civilian casualties. Put on a good show, let the audience decide what happens with the results of the fight. No one has to die, just fight until you're ready to talk.
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It's heartbreaking seeing shell shocked children covered in dust and blood or parents weeping for their dead kids. There is no sanctuary for these people. Then Israelis call them "human animals" while claiming to be the "most moral army in the world" without any sense of shame. They are depraved.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
An Israeli historian and Holocaust scholar has called how Israel is treating Palestinians in Gaza "a textbook case of genocide."
Israel's official account on X, formerly known as Twitter, said: "Unlike the barbaric enemy we are fighting, we do everything we can to keep innocent civilians safe."
"This dehumanizing language is clearly calculated to justify the wide scale destruction of Palestinian lives; the assertion of 'evil,' in its absolutism, elides distinctions between Hamas militants and Gazan civilians, and occludes the broader context of colonization and occupation," he wrote.
that the attack by Hamas was "a horrendous war crime," but using the term "evil" to describe the militant group is to "decontextualize" and "enhance the widespread fantasies of Israelis today that they're fighting Nazis."
He referred to a recent television interview where former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett lashed out at an anchor for asking about the Palestinian civilians suffering in Gaza by declaring, "We're fighting Nazis."
There is a "long history" of this "shameful use of Holocaust memory, which Israeli politicians have used to justify, rationalize, deny, distort, disavow mass violence against Palestinians," Segal said.
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How quickly we forget history. You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself come a villain.
That quote is so stupid. Not everyone is inevitably fated to turn to evil. Sure, humanity is inherently evil, but we can make the choice to be better than that.
And that's assuming heroism is morally good and villainy bad anyway, and I have serious beef with that assumption.
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I'm really impressed that Newsweek would publish thi.
They only could publish it because the Holocaust scholar is Jewish. In the current media zeitgeist the only people who can criticize the Israeli government are Jews. Nobody else can say anything. Which is part of the current problem, nobody's able to critique or criticize the actions of the Israeli government without being labeled as anti-Semitic in the West.
I think a lot of people are going to wake up to this hypocrisy. I've seen more open criticism of Israel during this conflict than at any time before, which is quite surprising.
Turns out that in the 24/7 media ecosystem we now live in, it has become much more difficult to frame yourself as a permanent victim class while also commiting heinous atrocities in an asymmetrical fashion.
Plus after the "War on Terror" the appetite for another Middle Eastern quagmire is quite limited. The backlash from the general public if the United States were to be dragged into this conflict, beyond throwing money at it as a show of diplomatic support, would be swift and severe.
It went a similar way with South African apartheid. It took decades of things getting worse before the rest of the world even took notice - the first segregation laws were passed in 1908. It was first 40 years later the official Apartheid laws came into force. In the 1960's, more than half a century after segregation started, the ANC gave up being peaceful. In the late 70's they went from sabotage to starting to kill people. In the 1980's ANC was consider a terrorist organization by the US and UK governments, and in 1987 Mandela was explicitly called a terrorist by Thatcher.
In 1990 the regime gave in.
Because the pressure had finally built to an unsustainable level, despite the fact that just a few years prior some of the most powerful countries in the world were still calling their main opponents terrorists.
This, by the way, is not intended to compare Hamas with ANC; ANC did also carry out terror, but not at nearly that scale, and of what they did carry out it's unclear which parts of the leadership approved what
The point is the timescale. How long it took before people started giving more than lip service to turning their back to an Apartheid regime that had gotten worse for their entire lives while they ignored the oppression, and how rapidly it snowballed once it first became accepted to turn your back on the regime, and then expected, and then a necessity to prevent people from turning their backs on you.
I agree with you there's more open criticism of Israel this time. In part, I think because there's been a slow drip of increasingly prominent organisations applying the Apartheid label in recent years from sources that are harder and harder to dismiss, and particularly the slowly growing acceptance that Gaza and the West Bank functions as bantustans. It makes it harder to just shout down critics.
And this can, and likely will, turn really fast once things truly starts to accelerate. A couple of big PR missteps and Israel will risk the opposition to BDS crumbling as well, and then the regime will be well and truly fucked.
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Actually much easier and Israelis have been very successful in this.
It's just that they got complacent. Why - because they are possibly the first state to abuse that media ecosystem on strategic levels, so they considered themselves invincible.
Or maybe they didn't get complacent, just the world is changing and they no longer see value in that old architecture of propaganda.
Say, they also really honestly know a lot of modern warfare and contributed a lot to it. And what's being used against them by Hamas and Hezbollah is in many things their own science. They simply forgot that others can improve on what they've been taught and not just blindly copy stuff.
Or maybe they see value in having Hamas and Hezbollah existent and with such military architecture. Better the devil you know and all that.
The people in charge of both sides are evil.
Picking sides in this fight is like
picking sides in fucking Game of Thrones.
It's not a complex argument. Israel is an apartheid, Jews only state, set up on land stolen from its indigenous people. Nothing equivocal about it. And they have been terrorizing, murdering, torturing, starving, imprisoning and humiliating them ever since. And there is a huge extremely well funded lobby in the US ensuring that things like what just happened, with Biden pledging 100 billion dollars of taxpayer money to Israel to keep doing what they are doing, which is genocide, keep happening.
Zero equivalence, the basic concept of Israel is pure, 100% apartheid. Don't you dare say "six of one, half a dozen of the other," not close at all, not even in the same universe!
And Hamas is a peaceful group of protestors that totally didn't invade Israel with the sole purpose of slaughtering as many civilians as possible.
Both sides suck in this conflict, and the civilians suffer for it.
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I fucking hate that argument. It's the same kind of mentality that says there is a 50% change of raining tomorrow, because either it rains, or it doesn't.
It's the #AllLivesMatter take for the middle east
This is a continuation of the crusades to 75% of those involved. I'm surprised nobody is framing it universally like that.
Huh, well put. I believe in the same thing, but never been able to summarize quickly. Thanks I'm gonna exain it like this now on.
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Idk man, I think hot pie should have been king.
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