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Every country has problems. Maybe let's shit on those too.

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[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 92 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Every country has problems but for most of these countries it's to be expected. A small country with unstable politics and a developing economy is bound to have issues. The USA is a global superpower with immense influence on the world stage and quadruple the money of the next richest country, yet it struggles with problems most advanced nations have a handle on.

Women dying during childbirth. Adults being illiterate. Cops killing and abusing power. Most of America's peers don't have these issues. America is ranked next to small third world countries in these stats and many more. America isn't mocked because it has problems. It's mocked because it has problems it really shouldn't have.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We’re all envious of their freedom though. Their freedom… it’s just so much freer than ours.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

It's not free, though. It costs a buck o' five.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

In a thread full of emotional, simplistic opinions, I’m pleasantly surprised to come across one that’s so well put.

[–] danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And none of this will ever get fixed in the current US political climate. MAGA has taken over the Republican party, and Democrats can do whatever the fuck they want because people will defend them with "Doesn't matter because Trump exists."

The MAGA cult wants us to return to Biblical times and values, while Democrats pretend to be outraged at Republicans while they're doing the same damn shit (like racism and bailing out the rich).

Every other developed country has universal healthcare, while the best we could do is impose a tax on people who can't afford health insurance.

People are too afraid to call out their own side's bullshit.

We need to do better than this.

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[–] Sharkwellington@lemmy.one 55 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 5 points 11 months ago

Now that's humour.

[–] DanteFlame@lemmy.sdf.org 54 points 11 months ago (13 children)

Most of the other countries with problems don’t have their citizens walking around loudly declaring as a matter of average discourse that they are the “greatest country in the world”.

[–] danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Ever seen Europeans on the Internet act like the way their country or continent does things is the only correct way, and North America is too stupid to realize it?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We just want you to know that arrogance isn't strictly an American problem.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's hard to be humble when you're just so goddamn good

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[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Have you ever actually met an American

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[–] banana_meccanica@feddit.it 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The problem is that the American model expands, its capitalism, the disinterest in safeguarding humanity and preferring money.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The roots of that problem are as old as greed itself, and callousness has existed for much, much longer than America has.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

the disinterest in safeguarding humanity and preferring money.

Don't know that the models the American style system replaces have a good record on that one either.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's easier to be the good guy when your competition is the British Empire.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

Or the French, or the Spanish, or pre-modern systems. But yes, it's not a high bar, simply pointing out that US-style capitalism is not any sort of exceptional offender in this area. Planned and market socialist states both had accumulation of power and pollution as major problems, as did mercantilism, as did feudalism, as did classical despotisms and republics. Short of 'return to stick', there's not really any immediate alternative to systems that pollute and encourage the grotesquely disproportionate accumulation of power for personal gain. The systems that were replaced don't have an answer to these problems either.

Not to say that capitalism is even the best of those polluting and power-accumulating systems to choose from, just that, in those particular areas, it's... not exactly the tall poppy. Right now what we must do is look forward, to the future, to new solutions, or at least new variations of old solutions.

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Easy to be the good guy when its literally any country on the planet.

[–] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

America is the only country's flag that makes me ill when I see someone waiving it around.

Mainly cuz it's usually a bunch of dumb racist redneck assholes waiving it around.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm an American veteran and I've even started having that reaction over the last few years. It used to be that some Americans who were pretty established and normal, usually vets of WWII or the Korean war, would fly flags in front of their house to show national pride and that was about it. But when trump entered the stage all these wackadoodles started using the flag like some sort of dog whistle. It's really upsetting.

[–] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Even here in Canada, after our all of our stupid convoy protests and parroting of American media, the Canadian flag doesnt mean the same to me anymore.
I'm not sure if they're proud to be a welcoming, morally righteous Canadian, or if those 4 ft tall and overly sized Canadian flags hanging from the back of that jacked up truck, just underneath the "FUCK TRUDEAU" flag, could potentially mean something else

[–] Raverbunny@aussie.zone 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I thought the rednecks loved the flag of the losing side from a civil war fought 150 years ago?

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago

That's kansas

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The community is mostly American, and familiarity breeds contempt.

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[–] charonn0@startrek.website 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It's really remarkable the level of anti-USA hatred floating around the fediverse.

[–] CylustheVirus@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Left leaning people can see the problems and the right leaning people won't admit they exist, so they come here to commiserate. Just how it goes.

Criticism of the US isn't hatred either, it can come from a desire for improvement.

There's plenty of legit hatred on Grad and PooBear tho. Just gotta block those people when they show up.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 7 points 11 months ago

Criticism of the US isn’t hatred either, it can come from a desire for improvement.

While that's true, it also not what is apparently going on here.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

It's far and away the most obnoxious part. Like I am a vocal and outspoken critic of the US but it's exhausting sometimes when you go into a thread about puppies or some shit and half the comments will just be like "wow this picture must not from the US, because nobody is kicking the puppy."

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago

I just live here. Everyone keeps telling me the worlds ending and we are all living terrible lives but I'm doing fine.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The worst part is when they do this — play the victim and whine because they have the "right" to bear their fucking child killing machine against each other and other countries while singing a song with traditional values that their kids should do as they give their daily 99% of their bodies to the megacorp. But poor you! Your media and people are free and you get attacked for being too good! It's nothing like the other megastate that also oppress their people, it's way different

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you're referring to guns when you say "child killing machines", you should know we find that offensive. Guns are surprisingly ineffective due to the fact that children have such a small stature, and any real American knows that you'll achieve much better results with anti-personnel weapons like fragmentation grenades, mines, and claymores.

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[–] statist43@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago

I mean, I like it that you not gwt killed from our megastate if you critisize it.

And I mean, I dont see how anybody is praising China ?

So I dont get your point, because the media we consume is mostly western, the politics and society is mostly western. Why should we critisize eastern megastates for it?

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago

Honestly America is fine. It was fine yesterday and it will be fine tomorrow.

Don't let the media get your all worked up over nothing.

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