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[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 164 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Am I missing something? Microsoft literally won't let me upgrade because my fully functional processor is deemed to old for them. Of coarse the adoption rate is low if they start by excluding a good portion of their user base.

[–] Laser@feddit.de 57 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I don't even understand why they make that distinction. I recently bought a used notebook with Windows 10 preinstalled that can't be upgraded. But if you just boot up the Windows 11 ISO it works fine without issues from there.

Granted I don't know why someone would want this; I was genuinely surprised when I noticed installation without a Microsoft account isn't supposed to be possible. Then you get that system that just feels sketchy to use, Teams in autostart, online services in your menus and all that. And that's just the stuff you can see. It's a total disaster in my opinion. But it went downhill ever after Windows 7 as far as I can tell.

[–] obious@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Because Windows 11's primary new feature is SOC level DRM. Old CPUs don't have the hardware. Obviously MS won't advertise this, so they end up making vague arguments that Window 11 is "better" but never really elaborate.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

That is mentioned in the article.

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[–] gveltaine@lemmy.zip 120 points 11 months ago (20 children)

Windows 11 has one specific limiting feature that drives me bonkers and it's not being able to click the clock in the bottom right on a secondary monitor to pull up a calendar. Windows 10 has this, why remove it?

It's a miniscule but good feature

[–] Ragerist@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It seems like they are going out of their way to remove good features. Like they removed the option to right click the taskbar and open task manager. They since added it back, but only because of user demand.

They have removed quick access to disabling the network, seeing and changing ip settings.

I can't remember all the annoying issues, but there's a lot.

I hate that it has become a general thing to ruin user experience and possibilities of customization. Google is doing the same with android.

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[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 87 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Why would I upgrade to an OS that pushes ads on my login screen and start menu? Some software forces me to keep a windows machine around but I'm certainly in no hurry to upgrade from 10 to 11.

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Because eventually you won't have a choice. That's how Microsoft works. Newer versions of Office come with slightly different file formats so people using older version have to upgrade. There's no plugin for new format or just degradation of the document when opening. They outright refuse.

Microsoft pushed Windows7 in similar way. New version of DirectX supported only Win7 and not older versions, even though there's no reason not to from a technical point of view. But new games supported new DirectX only and if you wanted to play better shell out those bucks.

In the end, biggest enemy to any paid software is not open source competitors, it's previous versions of their own software for the very same reason you mentioned. Why would anyone upgrade if all they need is already there. Most people don't need all the features of Office apart from different fonts and sizes, perhaps occasional table.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 84 points 11 months ago (21 children)

Let's see. Its full of ads, spyware and the ui is a complete mess.

I can't imagine why people a digging in there heals

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

Honestly, I think, like the article says, the hardware issue is the biggest hurdle. People use Facebook, after all, and it is full of ads and its UI is also a complete mess.

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[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 56 points 11 months ago (4 children)

2 years is plenty of time to see where linux support is. We should have a good idea by then of where gaming and streaming quality stand for the foreseeable future.

Most of my PCs will easily go to linux, the big question is whether to suck it up and upgrade my gaming rig to 11 or just switch everything to linux.

[–] Altomes@lemm.ee 76 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Switching to Linux is a pain, but its a pain once, staying on windows is the pain that keeps on giving

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 75 points 11 months ago (1 children)

ARE YOU SURE YOU DONT WANT A ONEDRIVE SUBCRIPTION?!?

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[–] ProcurementCat@feddit.de 38 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Switching to Linux is a pain, but its a pain once

Until there's some weird problem and the only way to solve it is to copy some dudes code from StackExchange and pray that it isn't actually a harmful script.

[–] sweetchildintime@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago (5 children)

That's hardly a Linux-specific problem. There are plenty of Windows problems I've encountered where running some random dude's registry update script is the recommended answer. If you are running anything with Admin / Root rights in any OS you had better understand what you're doing.

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[–] Talaraine@kbin.social 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Gaming is much better on Linux thanks to Steam, but having lots of problems with more recent games and their cursed launchers. I try and remember that Gen X had to figure all this stuff out with early versions of Windows and I should resurrect the same determination that got me through back then... but I'd be lying if I said it was easy.

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[–] Defaced@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (6 children)

It really depends on the games you play. The thing is, you need to be really honest with yourself in regards to what you play and how far you're willing to go for the ease of use. Most, if not all games that don't require invasive anti cheat will just work,there are outliers like media foundations cinematics that just don't work without protonGE, but even that's not really a problem and getting smaller and smaller with every proton update. Are you comfortable installing the heroic games launcher from a terminal if it's not available in your software center? If so, then that opens up a whole new library of games to play from Epic and GoG, if not then use a distro that has it preinstalled.

The Linux community will make you think it's an easy transition, and for the most part it is, but as someone who moved to Linux full-time and has been running only Linux for about 6 months, there are still hurdles to jump over, it was about 80% click install and play, and the other 20% was troubleshooting and trying different versions of proton. I'm willing to live with those odds if it means complete freedom of my computer and cutting all ties to Windows. If I want to play games that have anti cheat though, I either have to use GeForce now or use my consoles. However, increasing support for crossplay makes this a non-issue in most cases.

I do hope you make the jump, it's pretty clear the path Microsoft wants to follow and I don't want any part of it, neither should anyone else. We're in sort of a golden age of Linux gaming right now thanks to Valve, and the momentum doesn't seem to be slowing down thanks to the steam deck.

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[–] BlueDwaggin@pawb.social 55 points 11 months ago (9 children)

I have a rig with Windows 10, and haven't upgraded because.. Microsoft arbitrarily say my CPU is unsupported, even though it meets all the criteria.

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[–] Teknikal@lemm.ee 53 points 11 months ago (7 children)

To me an os should be something that just let's me run programs of my choice and use my hardware to it's fullest. Eg be as light as possible.

With windows it just wants to suck up all my hardware/battery by itself and puts up a fight anytime I want to install anything myself

Don't know how many times now I've had to take defaults away from things like edge but yeah

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[–] bioemerl@kbin.social 45 points 11 months ago (16 children)

Windows 11 coerced me into being an Ubuntu user.

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[–] Kazumara@feddit.de 45 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The comparisons in the article are boneheded.

According to Statcounter, the worldwide Windows version desktop market share puts Windows 10 at 71.64 percent, with Windows 11 trailing at 23.61 percent.

To put that in context, Windows 11 was launched two years ago today. Windows 10 was launched in 2015 and took two years to reach the same market share as the then-dominant player, Windows 7.

Comparing the numbers of the move from 7 to 10 to that from 10 to 11 ignores that whole shitshow with 8.0 and the correction of 8.1.

Of course it's easier for 10 to dethrone 7 when there is the spoiler effect of 8 and 8.1!

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 43 points 11 months ago (14 children)

So anyways, I've been playing Baldurs Gate and Genshin on Linux and it's pretty dope

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The steam deck being on a Linux architecture really pushed this forward. Go Linux! And go ARM!

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[–] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 40 points 11 months ago

Windows, a solution to problems that only exist because of Windows.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 39 points 11 months ago (5 children)

The single biggest reason is that Microsoft significantly limited the hardware that can be used for W11 with the TPM and stringent hardware needs.

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[–] CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

My pc isn't compatible with Win11 (unsupported cpu) and since I'm poor, I'm not getting a new one anytime soon.

Besides, Win10 is great.

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 37 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Windows 11 is basically Windows 10 with a slightly nicer (in most respects) desktop. There aren't a lot of compelling reasons to switch if what you have works well enough.

[–] gr522x@lemmy.ml 77 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Windows 11 is also much better at collecting personal data with improved analytics and Microsoft spyware running under the hood. Not to mention it's superiority at serving advertisements and embedding them in nearly every aspect of the UI.

It's doubtful that Microsoft shareholders have meetings about how to improve the user experience of their OS. I think they are more concerned with extracting every penny they can designing the most efficient backend to harvest data and push ads, kinda like our friends at Alphabet, Microsoft is trying so desperately to emulate.

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[–] lud@lemm.ee 24 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The new start menu sucked, and is one of the main reasons I won't switch.

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[–] Anonbal185@aussie.zone 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

If it ain't broke don't fix it. Windows 10 isn't even close to end of support.

If enterprise users haven't moved over then individual users don't need to.

I will move over before support finishes but make no mistake that'll be because I'm forced to due to security reasons and not because I want to.

My windows 10 enterprise has been running flawlessly.

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[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 32 points 11 months ago (19 children)

The usual “switch to Linux” spiel.

It’s easier than ever before, blah blah blah.

[Debian based distro] is a good option.

Beware of temporary pitfalls such as Adobe and arrogant game devs decided not to tick the EAC/Battleye for Proton compatibility box, etc.

Tbh, it’s really getting tiring to tell people to try Linux to only get hit with a tsunami of out of date straw man arguments featuring issues that haven’t be relevant in almost a decade.

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[–] g6d3np81@kbin.social 31 points 11 months ago (10 children)

There is a trend line of the amount of shit you need to do to get linux to do things you want.
There is a trend line of the amount of shit you need to do to stop windows from doing things you don't want.

Those two lines have crossed quite a while ago.

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I said it before, and I say it again. Once I am forced to switch to win 11, I'm not doing so. I'm simply switching to Linux.

Windows has been on a downward spiral and I don't see that improving anytime soon

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[–] Zellith@kbin.social 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I use windows 10 atm. The wife is using windows 11. This is a laptop though, so I might just keep it as windows 10 and then get a new computer and put linux on it. Windows 11 has no redeeming qualities as far as I can see.

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[–] figaro@lemdro.id 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

These articles cater to the privacy centric, super user type people, which is totally fine, but we should remember that we are not the average user. We represent... basically an insignificant percentage of the user base.

Windows is not actually having a problem getting people to upgrade to Windows 11. There is a small minority of people who see the issues and are loud about it, but I guarantee that 95% will update when their computer tells them they have to update (when it does the "next time you restart we are doing it for you" thing).

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 18 points 11 months ago (10 children)

For that to happen they'd have to drop the TPM requirement.

Pretty sure my CPU (i5-8400) has it, but for some reason it doesn't show up. Probably disabled in the BIOS, although I've no idea why.

In any case I don't care until I have a good reason to upgrade. Direct Storage was threatening to be Win 11 only, but I've honestly never heard of any games requiring it yet. And the still fucked GPU prices mean I'm more likely to play those on my PS5 than upgrade my PC for it.

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[–] Cobrachickenwing@lemmy.ca 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Windows 10 should be proud it is XP next generation. We are going to get another vista disaster if Microsoft keeps pushing 11.

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[–] Tygr@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago (4 children)

My rig is outdated but plays all the games I play. I can’t afford a gaming rig update just to get Windows 11 with start menu ads and junk.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'll use my Win 10 machine as the daily driver until the very last day of support. I game in 1080, and my 6gb 1060 coupled with my 6700k blows all but the very latest and most demanding games out of the water.

By the time I'm strong armed into Win 11, there might be a better option by then, but at the very least it will be a nice cheap time to upgrade to 2-3 year old hardware so I can continue playing factorio, but in 1440 instead of 1080.

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[–] flicker@kbin.social 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I haven't moved to Linux because I work in healthcare and do 12 hour shifts and do not have the time needed to-

  1. Wipe anything
  2. Reinstall anything
  3. Learn new things and finally
  4. Use my computer.

The last one is the real pain. I'll tell ya though, if I ever get to sit at my computer again I'll learn how to unfuck it and I hope by then there's some easy to access resources for learning a system!

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