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You can still condemn the terrorists -- 99% of the people in those conditions have chosen not to go on a murderous rampage of civilians.

I agree though, by and large. Hamas is the problem here, not Palestinians, and Hamas should be condemned by everybody. Its hard to say that they're trying to help Palestinians when they do attacks like this, knowing full well they are associated with Palestine. The attack has certainly changed my perspective about them operating out of civilian buildings. They're using Palestinians as living hostages.

It would be in everybody's best interest for a global coalition to root them out and Israel to get a non apartheid government. But we all know none of that is going to happen.

There's a difference between attacking unarmed civilians at a music festival and war. The terrorists should always be condemned, and you're painting with far too broad of a brush here.

There's a difference between freedom fighters and murderers.

If you create the conditions for war and terrorism, do not be surprised when war and terrorism come.d

What do you think raping and massacring people at a music festival is going to do?

That clearly isn't "fighting back". It's not war, its not even terrorism. They aren't achieving any sort of win, or working towards independence.

This is honestly a disgusting comment.

If you create the conditions for war and terrorism, do not be surprised when war and terrorism come.

This is exactly why they're so surprised. They thought that Palestinians should just roll over and take it up the ass, like god intended, the natural order of things.

There's only an issue when the oppressed fight back.

except half the morons around here who thought this was justified

I lived in Paris when they attacked the Bataclan and several other places. We almost went to a restaurant that got shot up but decided on another one at the last minute. When the owner heard about the attacks he made us leave, which infuriated my GF who was scared out of her mind, but I figured the assholes were long gone and police were everywhere by that time so I reassured her and we calmly walked back home.

But when I got home and heard about the Bataclan attack, I broke down like a fucking baby. I love live music, it's like a major reason to live for me, and imagining these people having a blast, unwinding after a stressful week, and then the absolute horror that broke loose was too much for me.

People need to realize reddit and social media is shitty because people are inherently shitty. The people on lemmy are no different.

These comments are definitely reddit tier and that’s sad for the fediverse.

People don't change just because technology is different.

Israel is going to wipe out Hamas.

Honest question: to Israelis that want to see this, what does this mean? forcing the Palestinians out completely to Jordan and Lebanon?

don't get me wrong, it'd be awesome if you could just magically zap the terrorists, but that's not reality. so what's the end game with this kind of rhetoric?

So far the Israeli government under Netanyahu has mostly done things to strengthen Hamas, a more radical and violent (but controlled by the vastly stronger Israeli military, or so they thought) group in power in Gaza was deemed beneficial since it prevents the formation of "reasonable", anti-violent advocates for Palestinian liberation. Didn't really work out that well I guess.

I expect to see reports of wholesale slaughter of Palestinian civilians. You know, normal every day stuff for the IDF.

Hopefully the regular Palestinians survive with out much damage.

Based on the last 50+ years of history of conflict between these 2, I can't be optimistic that your hopes will come true.

regular Palestinians

"What regular Palestinians? Those doctors and children were clearly armed militants" - the IDF probably.