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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 137 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Salaries should by law be capped at max 10 times the lowest

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 53 points 1 year ago

Careful, you might be starting to make too much sense!

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't Japan have a system like that? The difference in the lowest and highest paid employee can only be so many thousands different?

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Yep, my friend works in a Japanese company and his CEO only makes 3x his salary.

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[–] PR3CiSiON@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Then they'd just get two jobs at the same company, and get two salaries or some other loophole the lawmakers planned for the whole time.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Preferable to 319 jobs I'd say.

You people see the fuckery, shrug your shoulders and say "eh - just let them get away with it".

Fuck that, and fuck them - don't be conned into emptying your pockets to spare them the trouble of robbing you.

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[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 89 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It probably will bankrupt him. But only because he built his business on the basis of exploiting employees. He won't make money if he doesn't do that. Which of course means he shouldn't be in business.

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[–] jpablo68@mujico.org 71 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's always one of the two with this companies, it's either "we're making millions" or "we're going under" there's no inbetween.

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Often both at the same time!

[–] TheMagicalTimonini@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

"Great job team! We've increased our profits more than ever before! Now we need your help more than ever to increase profits even further. Unfortunately we cannot afford to pay our employees more, because of the great investmemts we need to make to keep increasing our profits!"

[–] sdoorex@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 year ago

The beauty of Hollywood accounting spreading to other industries. Ford Motor Company sells their cars for an on book loss after sales incentives like sub-prime financing through Ford Credit. Ford Credit then makes a profit due to interest payments thus wiping out the loss on the vehicle sale.

[–] MargotRobbie@lemm.ee 70 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Looks like we found one job that should be automated by AI to save Ford 21 million dollars a year.

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[–] ViewSonik@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you make $100,000 for 40 years straight that is $4M. This dude made $21M in a single year. Ford’s share buyback program in 2022 totaled $484M. GM’a share buyback program totaled $3.4B in the past twelve months. We live in a fucked up world. Meanwhile, Ford/GM/Stellantis employees cannot afford to even buy the vehicles they make or feed themselves decent food.

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[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

CEOs need to take pay cuts. They earn too much and don't provide enough value for their pay.

[–] quatschkopf34@feddit.de 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

For context, this research paper was also pre-pandemic.

On average, CEO salaries jumped about 30% since this research was released. Here is an updated article by the EPI EPI Research

Also for context - on 1965, average CEO-to-worker salary ratio was 20:1, and in 1985 it was 59:1.

Not it's almost 400:1.

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[–] elbowgrease@lemm.ee 45 points 1 year ago (6 children)
[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Looks like while all of Chris's brothers got in to comedy his cousin Jim decided to become a laughing stock of a person instead. You did it all wrong, Jimbo.

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[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Just broke my brain a little bit, that crazy!

[–] scrotumnipples@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Holy shit, they're cousins!?

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Read "Bullshit Jobs" by David Graeber guys. It's really worth it!

[–] NightLily@lemmy.basedcount.com 29 points 1 year ago

Well yeah? If his workers make 66k how is he going to make 23 mil this year?

[–] Lemmywhat@monyet.cc 29 points 1 year ago

Total revolution needed. Workers that do the real thing barely can feed their mouth, while those useless management ceo got huge cut

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this Guy related to Chris Farley? I definitely see some resemblance.

[–] Glimpythegoblin@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Techmaster@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

Holy schnikies!

[–] andy_wijaya_med@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

No one should earn that kind of money period.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hope the cost of living helps offset that.. what company has been stealing your labor from you?

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Big Lots, worst pay to effort ratio of anywhere I've ever worked. Working harder than I ever have for less than I ever have until I find something else.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

That sucks smelly ass, sorry to hear that, maybe try and organize once you have another job lined up? I'll never forget working the morning shift at hardes, literally the most stressful job I have ever had, for the least pay I have ever made. I got a job at a factory and made twice the salary, but did a quarter of the work, and I had to hear the people I work with denigrate fastfood workers wanting to raise the minimum wage to $10 an hour, cause they thought they worked so much harder and only made $12 an hour. They pit us against eachother while eating caviar from fishes that are going extinct because they are actively poisoning every aspect of our society and our world simultaneously and living in opulence that make the Kings of old look modest. Shits gotta give...

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[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (22 children)

Why are these posts specifically aimed at car company CEOs?

Are they begging for money in Congress again ?

Is this an anticar thing ?

Are they in union négociations ?

[–] Donebrach@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

The American autoworkers union is currently striking due to stalled contract negotiations.

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[–] admin@lemmy.mohammadodeh.com 16 points 1 year ago

How could you be so heartless? How is he supposed to afford his second super yacht?

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

The wrong Farley died in 1997.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Ford has 186,000 employees. His entire salary, divided amongst every employee, would be $112.90.

He's certainly overpaid - like pretty much all CEOs - but this is a bad example.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Its called juxtaposition my guy, Ford also spent almost half billion on stock buybacks last year which could have been used to give every Ford Employee a $2500 bonus to share their profits, but instead they used it to buy back stocks...

[–] dirtbiker509@lemm.ee 44 points 1 year ago

And buying back the stock has the effect of making the stock price go up. And guess who gets the most stock? The CEO and C suite. They give themselves huge raises by doing this and it's perfectly legal :(

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well see that's a good example. Ford is a profitable business, and should be paying their employees. All I'm pointing out is that the CEO's salary - in the specific example of this business - does not represent a significant proportion of what is being taken from the average employee. That's most likely going to the shareholders.

The CEO's are partially to blame, but more blame lies with the shareholders, and also the legal system that mandates the CEO's act in the interest of the hypothetical worst, most profit-hungry shareholder.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The dividend is only 15 cent a share. It is almost 10%. It should be around 5%.

Personally I think there should be a law you can’t borrow to pay dividends. They must come from cash

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Personally I think there should be a law you can’t borrow to pay dividends. They must come from cash

Fucking absolutely. But that's a drop in the bucket of financial fuckery that goes on, which is a very big elephant in the room.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s a larger part than you think. It’s another part of manipulating the stock.

Companies should be regulated better. They should get tax relief when employees are paid well with good benefits. I don’t care if a company pays taxes as long as the employees are making money. They’ll translate to taxes being collected other ways.

What I can’t stand is all the bullshit waste and games.

I think layoffs should be severely punished by either taxes or forced severance.

I don’t care a ceo makes 20 million but there should be regulations to make sure they’re earning it and not just manipulating things

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean I personally think income should be tax free up to a relatively high amount. Like 6 figures, minimum. You're giving up your time, in service of a business which itself is in service of society, you shouldn't have to subtract from your reward for that to give more. The business' taxes should be covering that.

We should be heavily taxing investments, the times when people don't actually do anything themselves but pay for things to be done, with the plan of getting money back and giving as little to those that actually did the work as possible. The business owner gives the minimum to their employees and takes all the excess for themselves.

What's needed is a sliding tax scale where employers benefit from giving out higher mean salaries, not median, such that employees and employers both together benefit from the success of the business. If you pay your employees better, up to or maybe a little above the average income, your business gets taxed less. That's the sort of government incentive we should be having.

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[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sure, but Ford made a profit of 10 billion last year according to google. That means that they can give every single one of those 186k people a 6000$ raise and still be left with almost 9 billion in profit.

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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Companies should just do a rotational CEO from their pool of workers and give the position a nice 20% salary bump for the term of the position.

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