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[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sigh. More importantly, they're not structured in such a way that they only benefit small and at most medium companies, they apply more or less across the board, which automatically makes the giant megacorps the biggest winners as they can pay the people to figure out how to best exploit this.
If anything, they should have funded tax breaks to small companies on the backs of VW or Vattenfall or Rheinmetall, or ideally their CEOs and stockholders directly. Fleece the ones who do nothing good, nevermind with their money.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Vattenfall? Like the swedish state-owned supplier of hydropower? That Vattenfall?

[–] gowan@reddthat.com -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Corporate taxes typically get passed onto the consumer under the logic if it costs me .5% more to make a product or provide a service then the price will rise by that .5%.

By making the cuts across the board this in theory drops the price of domestic goods which should encourage Germans to buy more locally thus stimulating the economy.

Directed tax cuts might hurt the stimulus so they are aiming wider.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this in theory drops the price of domestic goods

Yeah but that's the specific part where this falls apart.

[–] gowan@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except it doesn't? If your competitor drops the price, because the tax break makes that possible while maintaining the same profit margins, then you are likely to do the same in order to not lose sales.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This happens. 👍 I'm sure of it! Trust the markets, everybody!!!! 💰

Tax increases are passed on to the people. Tax cuts are passed on to the wealthy. I'm American so I should know.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People are already paying for these costs increase, so the companies will pocket the tax cut and tout their record profits.

As we've seen after the pandemic when the inflation was soaring, companies rose their prices to keep their margin as they were instead of taking a hit on their profit.

Under the current state of capitalism, if a company isn't making the maximum profit, that company is failing.

[–] gowan@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

If the company could make up for the change in price with an increase in volume they could drop the price. If a competitor drops the price they will likely drop the price at least in theory.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

People are already paying for these costs increase, so the companies will pocket the tax cut and tout their record profits.

As we've seen after the pandemic when the inflation was soaring, companies rose their prices to keep their margin as they were instead of taking a hit on their profit.

Under the current state of capitalism, if a company isn't making the maximum profit, that company is failing.

[–] LostMyRedditLogin@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here we go again. Germany is about to get fucked by corporations like the US.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Why always fucking corporate tax cuts? How about people tax cuts? You know, when people have more money, they spend more. Thus giving more money to the corporates as well.

[–] forgotaboutlaye@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'll be taxed 40% and you'll be happy about it.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 7 points 1 year ago

I mean, I'm already taxed 15% on income tax, another 11% on social and health security, then whenever I buy anything, 21% of the price is tax (so if I spend all my income every month, it was basically another 21% of income tax). Petrol has another tax extra (don't know how much). When I bought a piece of land I paid another 4% as a tax (and I still had to pay for all administrative tasks like changing the owner in the registry). And I pay tax for owning the land every year. I'm pretty sure I forgot some tax.

I think I'm well over 40%. Not quite happy about it, though.

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

:Looks at massive increase in consumer spending due to Covid Stimulus and College loan payment moratorium.:

Lets do that trickle down shit again, it’s gotta work this time.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Why would the corporations bribe the legislature to pass a law that benefits people, or helps the economy? They just want to hoard their wealth. Okay?

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No Germany! You’ve been doing so well!

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They just like to put out the perception that they're better, really Germany is a shit show too

[–] AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Akrenion@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of politics and media are importing american ways of communicating and fearmongering.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not everyone here is American

[–] Akrenion@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Neither am I. That's why I used the word importing.

[–] Heastes@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

“Well” is a relative term 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It didn't work for America, but okay

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Wdym? It can trickle down any minute now, you just gotta be patient

[–] Kahlenar@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every corporate tax cut is a duck you too small business.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

And it doesn't do shit to stimulate the economy. They just buy back all their own stock, hoard their money, and pay people off anyways, while raising their prices. We already saw this whole thing play out multiple times already.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Another dump on the pile of shit that this country is becoming

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

This is coming from Scholz?? The leader of the SPD??? Sounds like someone got paid.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


While Germany's coalition parties have hesitated over the extent of the country's tax cuts, the economy has remained static.

The conflict has seen German energy prices surge, after Berlin's reliance on Moscow for gas was brought to a halt.

"We'll discuss how to achieve a big boost," Chancellor Olaf Scholz said at the start of a two-day cabinet retreat at Schloss Meseberg, a baroque castle outside Berlin.

The tax cuts are part of a 10-point program and intended to kickstart economic growth whilst making sure companies made the decision to invest in Germany, Scholz said.

The plan includes a premium for energy-saving investments, as well as rule changes to make it easier for companies to write off losses.

As Germany boosts spending, some critics fear that without a new European Union green fund, only larger economies with more fiscal power will be able to push ahead with national subsidies, leaving smaller countries behind.


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[–] profdc9@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It looks like Germany is evangelizing the gospel of Supply Side Jesus: https://www.beliefnet.com/news/2003/09/the-gospel-of-supply-side-jesus.aspx