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Researchers found low concentrations of so-called forever chemicals in various "eco-friendly" straws, raising doubts about whether they're an appropriate alternative.

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[–] StarkillerX42@lemmy.ml 110 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Disposable products are gonna have problems to keep them cheap. The solution to straws is non-dispossble straws, always was.

Also this is still a silly topic, straws won't save the planet.

[–] bentropy@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No but the plastic ones actually did harm the plant.

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We really need to change the way that consumers consume things. People need to stop acting entitled to everything they want immediately and with every convenience available.

Maybe people should start travelling around with their own straws. Have a craving for an iced coffee?? Well either bring your own metal/silicone reusable straw or deal with drinking straight from the cup. Be responsible and stop expecting corporations and government to solve every issue and maintain the lifestyle we have had the past few decades.

Things need to change in order for the world to get better, and maintaining the same level of convenience and consumption is unfortunately not something that we can afford.

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[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah nah. Non disposable straws are just going to become disposable straws that take up more material and are more expensive. Just like the "reusable" plastic bags they use at the grocery store now.

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[–] ThreeHalflings@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No comment on the level of PFAS aside from

though the levels were low

This is just feeding the outrage machine to get clicks. If it was a story they'd be citing concentration guidelines and telling you what concentrations were found in the products. It's not a story, it's rage bait.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree 99%. The 1% left is that, honestly, it is shitty that they contain any kind of PFAS to begin with. If PFAS in any kind of concentration are part of the production process, then it just isn't sustainable in the long run.

But the question is why do we need straws at all. I doubt that back in 1970 anyone would drink a latte macchiato with a straw. I found it strange just 15 years ago. If you fancy straws, you can get one high quality reusable one (steel, bamboo whatever) and carry it with you - I find this proposition much less offensive then expecting me to always carry a huge reusable cup with me. And for the most part you can consume drinks without a straw.

Now, there is people who have disabilities that require them to use a straw. For them, have some in store as a vendor, and hand them out if requested.

[–] kaesaecracker@leminal.space 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It really depends on the levels, they are called forever chemicals because they last forever. In many cities you can detect cocaine in drinking water...

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[–] Byter@lemmy.one 40 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Strongly recommend hay straws (like, made of "straw").

They're better than paper in that they don't sog up. They're inconsistent in size but that has never bothered me. A little flimsy, but I stir iced drinks with them all the time.

[–] Javi_in_4k@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Or just drink from the cup?

[–] sarcasticsunrise@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or steel straws. I've been using those for about 5 years now

[–] Krakova@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I had metal straws but I switched to glass because I can see if they’re clean easily and they feel better imo.

[–] Rogueren@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I can't do metal, I HATE the feeling of metal on my teeth. There are ones with silicon nubs on the end, but then that's more plastic...

[–] I_hate_you_welcome@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I believe silicone is its own natural material, not plastic

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[–] Swiggles@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Teeth? You are using straws wrong. They are supposed to only touch your lips

[–] Rogueren@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You've NEVER hit your teeth by mistake with a straw or fork or something?

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[–] Byter@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

I do that too. There are plenty of subthreads going arguing straw-use is an accessibility issue, but in my case, I just want them for specific drinks -- mostly cocktails.

The head on a Ramos Gin Fizz practically requires a straw to enjoy. Especially as someone with a mustache.

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[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Holy shit why didn't anyone think of this before lol

Well straw can easily split. Don't know how I feel like spending $5 on grass. 🙄

[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've had similar, but they smelled like... hay.

Do these have any smell?

[–] Just_Pizza_Crust@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They don't have any taste even if you chew on them a bit. The box does have a slight shrub odor, but it doesn't seem to be present when using them.

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[–] bentropy@feddit.de 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Once in a restaurant I got some longe macaroni pasta as a straw and I still think this was genius.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If I'm not mistaken, manufacturing facilities spray PFAS agents on various conveyor parts to prevent pulp from sticking to them and therefore require stoppage and cleaning. In other words, PFAS reduce the time and money spent on cleaning manufacturing equipment. Congratulations shareholders!

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

I'm glad someone is thinking of the shareholders. It's about time we focus on them and not such pesky abstractions like "the environment" or "the future"

/s

[–] bobman@unilem.org 5 points 1 year ago

It's all about doing the least while charging the most.

[–] cokane_88@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

We have a couple metal straws and washable plastic ones. The metal ones probably have lead and the plastic ones are made of baby kittens.

We've got a bunch of glass ones. Probably has puppies in it or something.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don’t fuck with ANY straw that ain’t metal

[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Okay, but what kind of straws do you drink with?

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[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago

I'd suggest not fucking with anything that lacks a flared base.

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[–] WagnasT@iusearchlinux.fyi 11 points 1 year ago

PFAS is everywhere at this point. Unfortunately they're reeeeeally good at what they're designed for and they're cheap. We'll need viable alternatives so they can be phased out. I think they should be banned from products that don't really need them like dental floss and hopefully we come up with an enzyme or something that can cheaply break it down in the environment.

Side note, there has been at least one study that shows that donating blood regularly can reduce the amount of PFAS in your blood. This doesn't solve the problem of the stuff being everywhere but it's good to know you can remove it from your body over time.

[–] _galactose@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

“All the straw manufacturers should take warning and say, ‘Hey, do we use this stuff?’ Because at the moment, they’re not even asking that question,”
That is kind of concerning!

[–] Spitzspot@artemis.camp 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Drink directly from the glass.

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God i love my glass straws

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Scientists in Belgium recently tested dozens of straws from supermarkets, retail stores and fast-food restaurants in the country, and found that the majority contained PFAS — a family of synthetic chemicals used in the manufacture of consumer products because they can resist stains, grease and water.

Thimo Groffen, an author of the new study and environmental scientist at the University of Antwerp, said it’s not clear whether the manufacturers of the straws he analyzed are intentionally adding PFAS as a waterproof coating.

Graham Peaslee, who studies PFAS at the University of Notre Dame and was not involved in the new research, said it's possible manufacturers aren't testing for the chemicals in their own products.

Keith Vorst, director of the Polymer and Food Protection Consortium at Iowa State University, said some of the straws in the study exceeded the proposed EPA concentrations for water.

Various states, including California, Colorado, New York and Oregon, have banned plastic straws from food establishments in the last five years, and chains like Starbucks have phased them out.

The main reason is that the straws generally can't be recycled, so they wind up in landfills, get burned in incinerators or become litter that contaminates oceans, rivers, lakes and streams.


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[–] disconnectikacio@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Aww what a surprise... not

[–] Squander@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

When the craze first started I remember seeing paper straws in plastic. Someone was close but didnt quite get it.

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