I'm not sure I'd consider it "shocking" more like "on par"
this post was submitted on 22 Aug 2023
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Right?! It's like the guy literally modeled himself after Trump from The Apprentice.
He's so dumb he probably thinks Trump is a good businessman.
I don't understand why anyone idolizes this bastard. There are too many bootlickers out there, which is why nothing ever changes and assholes like him can continue to exploit people.
Tesla is also known for its shit build quality. So why not buy an EV from practically anyone else?
Especially now that actual car companies are coming up with their electric models.
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I don't get why people want EVs so bad. We need electric public transport and electric bicycles
EVs are meant to save the car industry, not the planet.
Surely they're better but you're right- we should be focusing on more transit rather than just EVs.
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As a western European, to me the problem isn’t that they’re fired on the spot, but that a company can actually do that. You guys should’ve fought for your rights.
Welcome to 'at-will employment' America, where you can fire anyone for any reason as long as they can't prove it was because you are one of the protected classes under the Civil Rights Act (does not include LGBT+ people). They can literally fire you because they don't like your ears.
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Firing for relatively small mistakes just means people will cover up mistakes in the future leading to them causing serious accidents. People who make mistakes learn from them and not only rarely make that mistake again, but help others learn from that mistake.
I'll happily admit when something is my fault. And I'll document and implement changes that help prevent it from happening not just to the teams I lead but as much of the company as I can influence.
If you told Musk, that he is causing net loss for the company this way, he would answer " so then the workers need to work harder". He can't be at fault.
"Just stop making mistakes. Also work overtime under stress."
Meanwhile the thing other employees learn from the firing approach is to get better at covering up their mistakes.
Companies pay when people make mistakes.
Why the fuck would you fire someone when you just paid for a lesson that prevents further mistakes?
And guess what happen when you ask workers to work 10 hours a day every day? Mistakes.
Or when workers aren't guaranteed vacations. Or when vacation days are mixed up with you sick days.
A sick employee who can afford to stay home won't cost the extra due to other employees getting sick.
Same thing when children get punished too harshly or unfairly. They just learn how to lie and hide things
Non-fun fact: If you punish kids unfairly enough, they'll stop giving a shit about lying because they get punished wether they lie or tell the truth anyway. Fucked up personal experience.
But they do still hide stuff. And lose all respect for punishment.
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Honestly, has musk ever done anything useful other than just being the money he was born into?
I despise the man, but there’s an argument to be made that Tesla accelerated the adoption of electric cars by at least five years, compared to what it otherwise would’ve been. I know he didn’t found Tesla, but I do feel like he played a pivotal role in changing people’s minds about electric cars.
Their engineers and designers did the work. He was the money. At most he stirred up some attention.
Also, side note, why do these points always mention the engineers and designers doing the actual work, and almost never the assembly workers for example?
Usually I'd side with you but in this case, where the target was to introduce electric cars they weren't the ones making the difference. On the assembly floor it's just a job, they'd probably just have worked for Ford or Chevy building ICE cars as well.
VW had a hard time finding employees that wanted to take part in their qualification programs for assembly of their ID line in the beginning, very conservative community.
I met a test driver for Mercedes at a fast charger in 2021, he had an EQS test mule with him. Thought I'd ask some questions, got a tirade about all this electric shit won't work and how he prefers the proper S-Class test jobs. Very conservative bunch, indeed.
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Because electric cars were a relatively new concept that needed to be designed and prototyped. That’s a job done by engineers. Factory workers don’t really come in until mass production, after the engineering is done.
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Sounds like Tesla factory workers should form a union.
Wonder how much harder is it to form one in Texas compared to California
but but but elon sleeps on the floor!!!!!1!! hes so hardworking when hes tweeting literally all day and night!
Power tripping is exhausting.
Also, abusers need to keep a close eye on their victims.
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Nothing shocking if you kept up with the Xitter debacle.
Elmo has been firing anyone with even the slightest hint of critique.
Is this legal in the US?
It is. Most states are so fucked up they have barely any employment protection laws
And some are even trying further reduce the little remaining legislation that deters child labor exploitation.
But they don't bat an eye using the same children as a scapegoat to push through intrusive laws, under the illusion of protecting the children 😭
The US lacks the freedoms we enjoy.
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Is this actually shocking or does this make perfect sense to anyone who has paid even a shred of attention to Musk's manbaby tantrums?
long hours, unsafe conditions, and harassment for employees
He's racing Jeff Bezos to the bottom.
Wish he’d race Stockton Rush instead.
It's not that shocking; I read a positive profile on Musk almost 10 years ago where he nevertheless fired an employee on the spot for not immediately knowing the answer to some random question Musk had for him.
should we start patitioning that elon musk not be involved with any companies. everything ive heard about him makes me think he has no respect for us peasants.
He's a billionaire, probably thinks he pays us peasants too much for what we deliver, and would absolutely replace us for slaves if he could
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How is this legal? Does the US have zero employee protection regulation?
If this happened in NZ, the business owner would be put through the ringer and it would be front page news (it's been front page plenty here) for unfair dismissal.
The laws are there, sure. But if you become a corporate "whistle blower" you're not likely to get a job again. And the company will just drown the accusations in fines and litigation and nothing changes because we're poor and solo, because we're not unionized because if we try we get fired (again, illegally).
Sigh.
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If you are suprised about Elon, then it's your fault. He has always been like this.
I am in the odd area of "I'm poor, my family is rich"
My grandma asked me if she should buy Tesla stock. Glad I told her Hell No.
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Not surprised
It's a company whose primary business model is selling carbon credits. How could anyone even imagine that they have anything but unfair employment practices? They exist to exploit
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