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Surprisingly Telegram awfully good on that list

Edit: I forgot to add that I found something little of about that report where Signal hash to phone numbers are absent " Which clearly signal store it"! And on Threema FBI still includ it even though it's optional and 99℅ of the user will not put their number.

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[–] iortega@lemmy.eus 8 points 2 years ago

I cannot see the files/pictures (no js). I think they are referring to this. I also found a pdf version.

[–] Halce@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I find it dubious for Telegram to be the most private of them all, since their encryption protocol is not disclosed, but hey...

[–] poVoq@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Telegram app is open-source and the encryption algorithm as well. The problem is that it uses an totally non-standard in-house developed encryption algorithm that security researchers are suspicious off (but no actual vulnerabilities are known right now).

[–] brombek@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They are finding problems like "crime-pizza":

https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2021/07/four-cryptographic-vulnerabilities-in-telegram.html

Nothing super serious though so far... depending on your definition though :)

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I imagine this is the reason we're constantly told not to use Telegram. US has no control over the app or the servers, and none of US agencies were involved in development of its encryption protocols.

[–] sibachian@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Governments never give shit to matrix.org protocol, does that mean it's worse than telegram?

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

The graphic doesn't show matrix or xmpp, probably because there isn't much they can do about them, especially if they aren't hosted in the US.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

As far as I know Matrix is sound. Probably just isn't as big as Telegram yet.

[–] brombek@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So Apple is the worst privacy, surprise, surprise! And Telegram is the best (of the worst, in US), but how knows what KGB can see :D

[–] sibachian@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

except iOS warns you that enabling icloud backup for whatsapp is a terrible idea. whatsapp is really just terrible all around, because you don't know if the user you're talking to does have backups enabled. it's like relying on PGP, you have no idea if it's being used on the other end, so, might as well not treat email as something secure.

[–] brombek@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

If your backups are accessible to others then you have no privacy no matter what tools you use, it is the ultimate back door. Same as running "scanners" client side.

[–] DPUGT@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I've been using Session lately. Not sure how it stands up on the technical merits.

[–] jedrax@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Actually a super informational list. I'm glad they made it unclassified, can only help the masses.