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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

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[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 139 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I could never go back to Windows, after having tasted the freedom of Linux.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 75 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Linux has its flaws, but so does Windows. And for me, the flaws in Windows became much more annoying than the ones in Linux. Game compatibility was the main factor that kept me backt from using it on a desktop, and that's a non issue nowadays.

[–] blackbrook@mander.xyz 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Flaws I didn't pay for piss me off a lot less.

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[–] ScoobyDoo27@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I always see people say this but does no one here use professional apps like solidworks or revit? Are there good Linux alternatives? I’d switch to Linux but I need solidworks for work I do.

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

Windows is the defacto standard for desktop PCs for a reason. In a corporate setting it's kind of the ideal.

Because of the sheer number of users, most software is built with Windows in mind and therefore has the most support. It's pretty rare that you find an application that doesn't have a Windows build available.

On top of that tools like Active Directory, and group policy makes managing thousands of machines at scale a reasonably simple affair.

Microsoft is a corporation rather than a community so you can always expect their main goals to be profit-driven and that comes with some nasty baggage, but it's not enough that it's easy for professionals to make the switch.

Linux has made lightspeed progress over the last decade, especially with Proton making games mostly work cross platform, but outside of specialist use cases, the vast majority of business PCs and by extension home PCs will be running Windows for the foreseeable future.

[–] Redscare867@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

I work in software and I haven’t touched windows in a very long time. Even back whenever I worked on FPGA development all of that software ram on Linux, so I think you’ll find that this is very field dependent.

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[–] eochaid@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (25 children)

Enough with the fan wars. Let's be perfectly honest for once. Windows, Linux, MacOS - they all suck. Sometimes in similar ways, sometimes in different ways. But they all suck.

Windows users - I get you, you use it because it sorta works 40%, of the time and sucks in the way you understand.

Linux users - I get you, you know all of the arcane incantations you need to quickly install, update, and troubleshoot your os in a terminal window. It works - once you apply your custom bash script that applies every change you need to get everything exactly how you like it. But again, it sucks in the way you understand.

MacOS users - well I don't really get you. You know what you've done.

We deserve better than this, guys. We deserve an os that just works, is easy to use, easy to configure, doesn't require an IT degree to use, and that we can recommend to our grandma without a second thought.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

MacOS users - well I don’t really get you. You know what you’ve done.

I laughed hard on this one hahahahaha

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[–] Boogeyman4325@reddthat.com 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

just works, is easy to use, easy to configure, doesn't require an IT degree to use, and that we can recommend to our grandma

TempleOS satisfies all of these conditions

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[–] monkey@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Probably an unpopular opinion on here, but the OS I recommend for grandparents and parents is ChromeOS. It's so locked down that it's almost indestructible, and they almost never need any specialized software that you'd use Windows/MacOS for. If you're savvy enough you can also use Linux on it in a container, which is how I prefer to use it for day to day stuff (in my case, data related workflows).

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 86 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I've worked exclusively with Linux servers since 2002 and exclusively Linux desktop since 2004 and I've come to the point where I prettyuch refuse to touch windows for fear it will infect me somehow.

I know most people don't know any better but it's insanity to me that anyone still pays money for windows. It's a scam, no other words for it.

Don't even get me started on Windows servers. It's just sad to see how much money is spent on a company that has so litte focus on quality.

Even the online services suck. Dear God Microsoft, would it kill you to understand that people might have gasp TWO tabs open with your teams "app"?

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[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 79 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Windows requirements: sprawling list of unsupported hardware based on an arbitrary requirment for a security chip that doesn't actually improve security at all

Linux: CPU (optional)

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[–] master@lem.serkozh.me 78 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Windows: "We dropped support for that thing you bought brand new 5 years ago"

Linux: "We are considering dropping support for something that has existed for longer than you had"

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 20 points 1 year ago

Linux: “We're dropping support for this device because we're fairly sure we had the last one in existence and it just died.”

[–] DrWeevilJammer@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Hell, I can get a 30 year old HP LaserJet 4 printer working just fine on almost any version of Linux with the official HPLIP CLI software provided by (shockingly) HP, which was updated 2 months ago with support for over 50 new printers and the following OSes:

  • LinuxMint 21.1
  • MxLinux 21.3
  • Elementary OS 7
  • Ubuntu 22.10
  • RHEL 8.6
  • RHEL 8.7
  • RHEL 9.1
  • Fedora 37

I HATE HP and their printers (PC LOAD LETTER WTF FOR LIFE) but I will admit that this is impressive support.

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[–] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago (10 children)

carefully select hardware

lmao, i've exclusively run linux on franken pcs cobbled together out of mostly second hand parts

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I upgraded my Intel system to AMD today. And I didn't have to reinstall a damn thing, because my existing Linux installation Just Worked™. It really is to the point that I could never imagine going back to Windows.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

CPU vendors are usually pretty seamless to swap on Winblows, other than the fact that Windows will possibly whine that you've modified your system too much and need a new license 🤓

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[–] kn33@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (15 children)

I like Linux a lot, but saying you can't understand why someone would run Windows on a server just shows a lack of knowledge. Linux is great in a lot of server applications in the application realm. However, it doesn't get close to the power of Active Directory and Group Policy for Windows device management. Besides that, a lot of people are more comfortable with a UI for managing DHCP, DNA, etc in a SMB environment. Even if they prefer a command line for those tools PowerShell allows those people to coexist with those that prefer a GUI. Under certain circumstances, (mainly ones where a business is forgoing AD for AAD), Linux can be the right choice. Pretending that there's no place for Windows Server, though, is asinine.

[–] Swarfega@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

This community is very much a "Windows bad" community. I personally find that annoying as I use Windows and Linux. Both have their pros and cons. Windows though is seen here as the shitest OS out there which far from the truth.

PowerShell is amazing and I install it on my Linux desktop.

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[–] TomBombadil@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago (9 children)

There's this thing I notice. If windows asks you to learn something or put up with some BS it's seen as the cost of business, reasonable, or simply not even noticed. If Linux requires you to learn something, like read one article about which distro might work best for you, it's seen as an insurmountable difficulty or an absurd ask.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

it's sunk cost bias. I have this trying to use windows or macos, after using linux exclusively for half my life - everything feels foreign and frustrating, with an obnoxious amount of UX patterns you're expected to know in order to find anything. ugh, I could rant for hours on how obtuse macos is (mainly because I have to interact with it for work right now - if you force me to use windows, I'll rant about that too)

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[–] s20@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago (12 children)

You know, I've been using Linux on desktops and laptops for like 20 years now. I can count on one hand then number of times I've had hardware support issues. Outside of a fingerprint scanner, I've been able to solve all of those issues.

Meanwhile, my adventures across the years dealing with Windows drivers led me to finally say "fuck it" earlier this year and nuke the Windows install on my gaming rig in favor of Nobara.

I'll take Linux hardware support over Microsoft any day of the week.

[–] YSwaggings@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have the opposite experience. For 15 years I've been installing windows on laptops and desktops. Never did I had to 'solve' driver issues. They were either easy to find, by clicking 'search in windows update' or were supported directly through windows itself. No need to solve anything...

The opposite was true for my few Linux (Ubuntu and Linux mint) adventures. Every time something would just not work. The most frustrating for me was the broken sleep function. There was no way to get my laptop to sleep properly. It would wake up at random times or just not boot anymore thereafter.

Just saying that these kind of things really depend on what you work with and what you want to get out of a system

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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 38 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Everyone acts like nvidia support on linux is completely broken. I game with nvidia on mine regularly and have never had a driver bug.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 35 points 1 year ago (9 children)

It's not that it's broken, it's that the open source driver stack and AMD cards are a superior experience. The Nvidia Linux driver is just like the Windows driver.

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[–] UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I was flirting with Linux for 20 years. There was always something that put me off an I went back to Windows. Recently I installed ubuntu with Kde plasma and I'm not going back. It just works and is heaps faster on older hardware. The old driver issues are gone, compatibility is awesome. The only issue is getting used to new software names.

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[–] giacomo@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Blows my mind that anyone would use windows.

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[–] OneRedFox@beehaw.org 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The only real hardware problems I come across these days with Linux is WiFi cards being shit. As far as I'm concerned, carefully selecting hardware is a problem for the *BSDs at this point. Am I missing something?

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[–] GustavoM@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Wha? Even a bleeping potato can run Linux nowadays, with zero issues at day 1.

t. Got a Orange pi zero 3, and the lil' bastard is rocking solid -- even with (near zero) support.

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Imagine not having all your drivers baked in into your kernel

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[–] ChewTiger@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I know hardware compatibility has massively improved, but back when I was messing with Linux in high school compatibility was a huge issue. I managed to end up with two laptops and some desktop hardware that were truly difficult to get running. It's like I somehow found a list of incompatible hardware and chose the worst options.

The most frustrating were an evil Broadcom (I think) wireless card and an AMD switchable card (they did actually make a few). That graphics card wasn't supported for very long and was a bother even in Windows.

Edit to add: I was just saying that to point out why some people might have that opinion, even if it isn't valid anymore. I'm actually thinking of jumping back on the Linux bandwagon.

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[–] lud@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Active directory and it's integration with services such as DNS and DHCP is pretty great though. I wish Microsoft started focusing less on cloud and improved the user (or rather admin) experience of their server tools, they are quite awful is some cases.

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[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Linux will run on anything

Ps3. Raspberry pi. Phones. All computers ive ever tried to install it on.. and even M-chip macs.

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[–] ConsciousLochNess@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

The new CPU requirements for Windows 11 are why I wiped it and am now on Linux Mint. No dual-booting.

penguin-love

[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Linux does support more CPU architecture (x86 Arm PowerPC RISC) while Windows only support x86 and some Arm CPU so technically Linux support more CPU but Windows does support more GPU and Plug and Play devices (controller, external sound card...)

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[–] ultrasquid@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (7 children)

To be fair, Nvidia support on Linux has been historically quite poor, with users having to manually install drivers (something the average person shouldn't have to think about). Though even that has gotten much better recently, with Debian now allowing forks to have proprietary drivers built in.

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[–] MooseBoys@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Linux has better support for the long tail of hardware. Windows has better support for bleeding-edge hardware. The main reason for this is money.

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[–] Ganbat@lemmyonline.com 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

You get to choose between hardware dependency hell and software dependency hell these days.

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[–] TomBombadil@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

People say that Nvidia just doesn't work right on Linux. I'd never know that except for everyone saying it. My desktop has Nvidia and all Linux distro I've tried on it are like perfectly fine. Yes for gaming also.

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[–] Fuckass@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I don’t think I’ve met anyone who enjoys windows 11 unless they’re like 75 years old and only click on google chrome and the power off button

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[–] Fifthdread@lemmy.server.fifthdread.com 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I want to use Linux at the desktop, but I want HDR and Freesync support. Not sure if Linux supports either in a big way.

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