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TIL about the greek question mark

Tell me, can you tell the difference between these two characters?

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[–] qaz@lemmy.world 95 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Every syntax highligher shows this and VSCode even has a special case for this, this is not a real issue.

[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 42 points 2 years ago

I just tried and it just turns into a proper semicolon and everything works. (Sublime Text).

That might explain that:

In Unicode, it is separately encoded as U+037E ; GREEK QUESTION MARK, but the similarity is so great that the code point is normalised to U+003B ; SEMICOLON, making the marks identical in practice.

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[–] SomewhatOffBeat@ttrpg.network 86 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Like r/programmerhumor, this community is already full of people who literally never programmed anything more than Hello World before.

[–] TimTamFlimFlam@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 2 years ago (13 children)

And just like Reddit you're complaining about it for absolutely no reason. How about we try to be a bit more welcoming and a bit less gatekeepery.

[–] IncognitoErgoCvm@reddthat.com 6 points 2 years ago

That's kind of an absurd position when the explicit purpose of segmented communities is to gatekeep content.

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[–] anarchyrabbit@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 2 years ago

Just because a meme is not reality doesn't mean it can't be funny.

[–] exu@feditown.com 8 points 2 years ago

Did you expect anything different?

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

programming hello world is doing better than most people and I applaud and welcome beginners.

I am little more than an amateur myself, entirely self taught, and yet I'm forever digging into various bits of code for my marketing job, because paying someone $400 to fix a recalcitrant css style in a week and a half is worse than just doing it myself.

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[–] P1r4nha@feddit.de 69 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I get this warning in my IDE (VS Code) so I feel safe:

The character U+037e ";" could be confused with the ASCII character U+003b ";", which is more common in source code.

[–] XTornado@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, there goes my diabolical plan, crushed like a bug under someone else's shoe. Back to the drawing board, I guess.

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Would be weird to be crushed like a bug under anyone else than someone else's or simply put your own shoe.

[–] XTornado@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

I meant the plan not me being crushed.

[–] Goun@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

This means we're just late? Dang

[–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 40 points 2 years ago

yea... every modern IDE makes it extremely obvious of the unicode character.....

SO.... yea...

If you really wanted to be evil, zero-width space is the worst.

https://symbl.cc/en/200B/

You don't see it.

[–] EtzBetz@feddit.de 34 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Laughs in just removing all semicolons because it's not necessary in JS.

[–] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It is recommended. But in TS it is not necessary with rare exceptions.

[–] platypode@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

That's what's really irks me be about JS--you can do just about whatever but you're not supposed to.

It's an imperative language, but best practices are to use it functionally.

You can omit semicolons, but best practices are to use them.

You can use sloppy equality, but best practices are to always use strict.

JavaScript reminds me of an older brother who happens to be the most laid back stoner you could meet. "Like yea man, you should probably use semicolons, but I ain't gonna narc"

[–] fidodo@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (11 children)

After switching to typescript with linting and prettier I simply hate writing vanilla JavaScript anymore. Some people complain about the extra project setup needed but I find that time pays for itself immediately.

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[–] DrM@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

thanks to eslint enforcing it in the default rules it's necessary for most typescript projects

[–] NatoBoram@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Except that you should use Prettier for formatting instead of ESLint. That said, semicolons are useless noise

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[–] fidodo@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wouldn't do it without an auto formatter. With prettier it will catch potential no semi colon issues.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago

Great, now you just need to do the rest of the code.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago

Unicode was a mistake.

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago

I thought zero width whitespace characters were the ones to go for if you want to be evil.

[–] drathvedro@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago

Вгь, Iмa gо sрrinкlе sоме cугilliс снаггастегs аll оvег sомеоnе's lаrаvеl vаlidатiоn гules

(The аеос's are the most evil ones)

[–] Unreliable@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago
[–] Zyansheep@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago
[–] Chaphasilor@feddit.nl 6 points 2 years ago

Just remove everything that looks like a semicolons, problem solved. You don't need semicolons in JS

[–] alokir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Use both the latin x and the cyrillic х as variable names in the same scope. Your coworkers will thank you.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Greek question mark is a fraction of a mm thicker. :)

I got used to seeing the same thing between O and 0 in certain fonts. O is wider than 0.

[–] d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Cool, but can you spot the difference between I and I?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That one I never could crack. | is longer so that's easy.

[–] DrRatso@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

lI makes it pretty simple to see - uppercase i is just a tad shorter.

[–] RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

Might try that in CSV files

[–] nuke@yah.lol 2 points 2 years ago

Thanks Satan

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