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Translators for Baldurs Gate 3 worked for 3 years translating more than 1 million words and Altagram Group only credited their execs and leads (twitter.com)

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[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's how being a vender works.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 84 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I’d say that’s okay if only the company is credited by name, but the execs names were included. If they’re including names, include all the names. It’s not a long list from what I saw on Twitter.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

You make a good point.

[–] Cortell@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Literally every other translation team got credits except the Brazilian one

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Typical C Suite douches. I bet they are monolingual and can't even translate.

[–] Kinglink@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

You can float any theory or idea why but this is always done for one of two reasons. Either they don't want to give credit and feel they are afraid they might be poached. Or they don't value their employees as human beings.

Either way no one should ever work for this company again and all execs need to be named and shamed so they can never get people to work under them again.

Disgusting disgusting disgusting. This is basic human decency.because I can guarantee if they pull this shit they under pay their employees as well

[+] Dimok@reddthat.com -86 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't see the issue here..did they expect to get their name in credits for doing their job? They can still put it on their resume...

[–] kartonrealista@lemmy.world 105 points 1 year ago (2 children)

did they expect to get their name in credits for doing their job?

Yes, that is the purpose of the credits. To credit people who did their job on the project.

[–] Microw@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago

But that's not how it works for most outsourced vendors. When you look at movie or game credits and you see a sector headed by a company name, it's because that company was hired to do a certain task. And in that case you mostly only see the leads names listed, not the actual workers.

[–] WookieMunster@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are you ignorant, stupid, or a troll?

[–] Kinglink@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

He's an executive at this company. Obviously

[–] PenguinTD@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't like the down vote button so I will spare you with that. Yes, they can still put it on their resume but what the employer did is scumbag move cause translation is a hard job to do well and good translator can make good money doing various job. In creative industry, credit listed is a big thing for anyone that starting out. If not so, why does movie, anime, game that have those long scrolling opening/ending credit?( A xxxxx Film, Directed by xxxxx, Produced by xxxxx.) For a video game, there is no "screen time" limit like movie/anime do, so not including the team and only the execs is like slapping those that worked really hard for the project to make it a better game.

[+] Dimok@reddthat.com -11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess the disconnect is that this is common practice in most industries. Is it right? I can't really comment on that. Do team leads or EC members get their name on things when 100's of people worked tirelessly under them and they networked at the golf course? Yes..all the time in business. Maybe this is different in the gaming industry.

[–] TheActualDevil@sffa.community 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Have you ever watched a movie? Were you blown away by all the execs they added in the credits and assumed they must have had thousands of others under them not mentioned? Or do you not typically assume every other industry follows the same standard as yours?

What you said is akin to me saying "Why are they expecting their name on things? The restaurant I work at doesn't put my name on the menu when I'm cooking that night."

It's a different industry and I would be foolish to assume the standards in mine definitely should translate to others, and then confidently comment publicly about it.

[–] Microw@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

For outsourced companies it usually works like this in movie and game credits, yes. You get a section in the credits headed by your company name, then the names of the managers and the project leads. Individual workers for these vfx, sound etc companies are not listed in most cases.

[+] Dimok@reddthat.com -10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think it boils down less to comparing industries at the end of the day, and more about 'what do the actual supposed oppressed translators think'? I see a lot of white knighting and back seat posturing, but nothing from the supposed slighted translators. If in fact being listed in credits is that important, why wasn't it in their contract? One thing about any industry, don't assume something important is going to happen. Get it in your contract.

[–] Cortell@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah and all that white knighting gives visibility to the issue and now Larian has reached out to ask for the full teams name to put in the credits. Good thing the common population doesn’t share your opinion or that never would have happened

[–] Dimok@reddthat.com -4 points 1 year ago

Except if there actually is an issue (we still haven't heard from the people affected by this) then this accomplishes next to nothing. If this generation continues to rely on fickle internet FOMO crap instead of, I don't know, actually attempting to solve their problems, nothing is going to get better. We've turned companies into 'internet responders' who care more about their internet image than actually taking care of their workers. If this group of workers is actually affected by this as negatively as the internet feels, then they need to work for change internally in their industry. This is just a shiny thing the internet picked up on before it moves on to the next.

[–] foonex@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If in fact being listed in credits is that important, why wasn’t it in their contract?

Maybe because of the usual power imbalance between employer and employee? If there are enough other applicants, employers can dictate the terms. It‘s a bit like saying to a coal miner: “Oh, if not dying from black lung disease is sooo important to you, why wasn‘t that in your contract?”

“I see a lot of white knighting”

I hate this term. If you call people who care about injustices “white knights”, what do you call the people who go out of their way to defend injustices and take the side of the more powerful parties?

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago

I think arseholes is the official term.

[–] PenguinTD@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

I bet you someone contacted that guy to find and post that tweet. Mind you speak out against the company while employed is against the contract and can land you a law suit if you cause any reputation damage. So that answered your concern.

To get it in contract is common practice in film/TV/game projects, it just need to become more popular idea for the localization side of gaming industry.

[–] Kinglink@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They can put it on their resume but with out their name there's no proof they did any work. You can now put it on your resume and pretend you did it because no one is named.

It's done out of fear someone else might know who did their work and someone else might hire them, so by not naming them they weaken the employees chance of getting work elsewhere.

Stop defending this shit, this is a company dehumanizing their employees and your taking the companies side?

[–] Dimok@reddthat.com -2 points 1 year ago

If you think this is dehumanizing, you got some rough lessons when you join the workforce. That being said, I'm not defending it in the least. I just think it's minuscule in the grand scheme of 'bad things a company can do to its workers' and if anything should teach the translators to get it in any future contracts. But then again, I'm in compliance management. I've seen companies discard poultry machines because they had a guard removed and they wanted to hide that from OSHA (and lawyers) to 'improve throughput' that then eventually cut a woman's hand half off, then fire employees who told OSHA who and why the guard was removed. Not getting your name credited on some work, OHTEHNOES THE TRAGEDY!! Fuckin grow up.