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This only works if you go to the green countries:
Edit: Source
Chad it is then.
What a chad move
What if I go to the gray countries? Do I despawn?
You can't go there until the next expansion.
They have deathright citizenship. You automatically become a citizen if you die in their territory.
Green: unlimited birthright citizenship Red: Limited birthright Citizenship Gray: (At least from my own country, Switzerland): No birthright citizenship
hmmmmm, weird that the EU is so recessive in terms of birthright citizenship.
recessive? what is recessive about this?
Your parents can take a citizenship test and you'll automatically be a citizen as well.
Just being born here doesn't make you a citizen. You must at the very least be able to speak the language. Having a citizenship test makes absolute sense.
Birthright citizenship is an absolutely stupid idea.
It's no more stupid than citizenship by descent. Why should someone get citizenship just because of the citizenship of their parents? Shouldn't they have to live in the country? Shouldn't they speak the language? Shouldn't they go through the country's school system?
Europe's combination of freedom of movement and only Jus Sanguinis has resulted in a situation where there are lots of people with citizenship to a place they've never lived, and no citizenship to the place they've lived their entire lives.
Really though, how citizenship should be awarded depends on if it's an obligation or an opportunity. If a country is at war and drafting all citizens of a certain age, citizenship is an obligation the state puts on its citizens. If a country is at peace and provides a social safety net to all citizens, citizenship is an opportunity for its citizens. If the world were fair, people would be able to choose whether or not they wanted citizenship when they reached adulthood. It shouldn't be something that happened automatically to children based either on who their parents were or on where they were born.
I think that the Restricted Birthright citizenship which is most common in Europe tries to navigate somewhere between those two extremes - in it basically if you're a Resident in that country for more than X years (from what I've seen usually X years is 2 years) then your children born there get citizenship.
It filters out freeloading - well-off people who have no personal investment in a country and its future and never contributed to it in any way, just flying over and having their kids there to give them citizenship - whilst still extending the same rights as locals have to those who, whilst not having the local nationality, are participating members of that society.
I think the fairest way is to give equal treatment (including giving the local nationality to their children and making it available to they themselves after a few years living there) to those who are participating members of a society but not to those who are not members of that society, and that would also mean that the fairest treatment would be that the children of local nationals who have long ago left (and the children themselves never in fact lived there) do not get that nationality automatically for merely their parents having it.
Ultimately I think nationality should be earned by living as part of a Society and when they're born children, having not have had a chance to "earn" it, would inherited that from the or parents.
That said some level of obtaining nationality based on the nationality of one's parents makes sense to cover the time gaps of people who moved abroad and had children there before they could qualify for the nationality of the country they were born with, since otherwise those children would be stateless.
As for the decision mechanism being "years legally living in a country" it's just the simplest and most equal for all (passing no judgment for things like what people do for a living) way of judging "participating in that Society" whilst only excluding people who were neither invited in nor taken in because they've truly need help (i.e. it's only for legal immigrants and refugees).
Nice right-wing viewpoint you got there, seems to be working. Fuck the red states. Or if you aren't American, fuck the right in general.
Ummmm are you expecting 2 weeks old infant to speak German?
I expect the parents to speak german.
But I suspect you already knew that and just wanted to be the pigeon that shits all over the chessboard.
Really proving the 'uptight wanker' Swiss stereotype there.
Bye.
Either no data or they do not have birthright citizenship
Red is restricted. Gray is most likely just no birthright citizenship.
It's pretty telling about how much Americans know about other countries that the assumption is that Jus Soli is the norm.
Chile would be good. It has a fairly strong passport, which I believe is stronger than the USA one in 2025 (before Trump), since it can still travel to the EU visa free.
Onward to Canada!
You know they hate you right?
This guy gets all his experience with Canadians from the internet
Just like people on the Internet get all their experience about Japan
I don't live there but do have an interest in the Country and I don't like when people spread bullshit about countries I like
It's also why I like watching Sora The Troll on YouTube because they point out a lot of the bullshit on the Internet about Japan
Literally. Nothing inspires me to go to Canada or like Canadians what-so-ever.
I know Canadians.
I need to tell my brother to vacation in Uruguay this winter
among latam countries, probably the best one to move to now
I told my wife we're going on an extended vacation in ~~Kenya~~ Tanzania. She sounds stoked.
Might I suggest a second good reason for South American countries--- when nuclear war hits the US, and it will, the southern hemisphere has a shot of surviving a nuclear winter. Billions will die but mostly in the northern hemisphere, even after accounting for fallout spread.
What a ray of sunshine
That's what everybody will be saying in the Northern Hemisphere every time there is a break in the nuclear winter cloud cover, only with more feeling of joy (so, more exclamation marks!!!).
You got a very loose concept of "nazi"
You are aware I'm talking about birthright citizenship here yes?
I in fact did not.
México is on it's way to fascism so... Might want to check somewhere else
Didn't they just elect a fairly liberal president?
They just elected Claudia Sheinbaum, who is seen as being extremely close to the outgoing president AMLO. Some people were suggesting that she was so close to him that it was really his way of getting another term as president, similar to how Putin stepped down as president of Russia to become PM while Dmitry Medvedev became president in name only.
How true is that? It's hard to say. My guess is that a lot of it is sexism, thinking that a woman can't think for herself and a woman president will turn to someone else for the important decisions.
But, it's true that under AMLO, there was a lot of democratic backsliding in Mexico. OTOH, Mexico has been dominated by PAN and PRI for decades. In fact, PRI won 14 elections in a row between 1928 and 1994. It wasn't until Vincente Fox in 2000 that PAN was even a factor. So, there's a lot of the power structures in Mexico geared towards supporting PRI and PAN.
They were probably undermining a lot of the things AMLO wanted to accomplish. If he had followed all the rules and norms he might not have been able to accomplish anything because the establishment would have blocked everything he tried to do. That doesn't excuse his rule and law breaking, but it does contextualize it.
We'll see what happens with Sheinbaum. I, for one, am fucking thrilled that Mexico's president has a PhD in energy engineering. The fact she's a woman is also historical, but to me the doctorate is more important.
Thanks for proving my point, you have no idea what is going on inside my country, yet already stepped in to parrot the propaganda going all over Reddit and Lemmy.
Oh let me give you the missing piece, the Kks (aka. AMLO) is still living inside Palacio Nacional and forced Shitbaum to live there too (she said during her campaign she was analysing not living there and just going back to what previous presidents did), from there he's still giving her instructions and telling her what to do and say.
Hence why we mexicans call her the presirvienta (like a presidential maid), as the expresident Kks is still calling the shots and telling her what to do and say, most of the picks for goverment positions were his picks, not hers, and she's still working to make the expresident's sons richer (example: they were ordered to give the vapes back to the black market because his son wanted that control and money, they passed it under the excuse of health reasons, but those same reasons could apply to tobacco and alcohol, but they feigned ignorance so by summer, any kind of electrical smoking device will be banned, yet they have caught the expresident's son vaping multiple times).
Please don't swallow the Kool-Aid that deep, most people don't give 2 shits if it's a man or woman as president, but we care when the expresident Kks said she was gonna be doing what he started and she said it was right, she was gonna do what was already in movement, no analysis or question about it, just as she's told to do (wish I was joking but that was her electoral platform).
She's called a puppet or presirvienta because she acts like one, she doesn't dare to stand up for herself (not even to apply the nepotism she wished to) because Morena and allies are a fucking cult.
This is true, the destruction of the mangle, burning fuel oil to stop the green energies, berating of the air space, worsening the educational curriculum, giving almost full control to the military and the electoral fraud, all those were things that the Kks wouldn't have done if he followed the law, hence why his crussade agains the magistery has been consumated under the rule of Shitbaum (as she was ordered to do), now we will have people who have no idea about laws (some didn't even knew they were nominated) voted in next summer, all so they can do as they please without being contested (and Lemmy users were celebrating this).
I mean, people criticize US for giving Trump full power by filling congress and such with Republicans and placing conspirationists in places of power, here is the same, everything is filled with Morena's cultists, yet I don't see them being criticized for passing everything without even reading it just because the Kks ordered to.
Oh yes, a PhD she cheated to get, sadly the UNAM didn't have the balls to act on it (if they had, she wouldn't have been able to run for president) even when they had all the proof on their plate, they just waited until she was elected and buried it deep.
Even if it was a real PhD, what good is it? She already gutted the funds for science, art, medicine (vaccines for the newborns? medicine for the people with cancer? COVID vaccines? fuck them all, amirite?), schools, public transportation, general maintenance for public services, the organisms that are meant to keep goverment in check (CNDH, INAI, INE, IFT and such); she supports her boss' antivaxx position, won't be taking back power illegally given to the military and experimented with Ivermectin during covid on patients without their consent during her time as governor.
And she already shitted all over that, during her time as governor she speciallized on throwing the special forces on the feminist protests to protect the image of the expresident.
During her election proccess she was the one making mysoginist remarks.
She refuses to meet with feminist movements or the mothers looking for their missing families and (as I said before) she's keeping the CNDH (the organism that is supposed to keep the human rights for the citizens) defunded and paralized.
Everyone who isn't licking their boots, is a traitor, a misogynist, a racist, ungrateful, fascist and many other insults she keeps slinging every day from her misinformation platform (again, something the Kks forced her to keep doing).
Just because she is a woman who claims to be feminist doesn't mean she is one (just like when a populist claims to be from the left)... at least, her acts speak louder and against her.
See my previous point on why it's pointless wether she has one or not.
All in all, thanks for showing everyone why I can't recommend my people to move to Lemmy, most of us complain about mexican reddit mods being in cahoots or too permisive when it comes to propagandists from our goverment, their comments might get buried and they might flail insults everywhere, but they aren't even warned.
Here we have a lot of normal(?) users giving their uninformed opinion about our country and (as you can see) anyone who gets angry (with good reason) about it just gets downvoted to hell and just go source? source? source?, but guess what? the fucking sources are there but they are all in spanish (because mexican, lol) so it's fucking pointless (also most of those claims aren't hard to find, but, again, you have to speak spanish).
This is heaven for the propagandists.
I've talked with other mexican Reddit users and they don't dare to create a community here for the same reason, we knew what happened to Mujico (again, they federate with grad so not a great example) and we fear to get overwhelmed by people who have no idea what's actually happening in México, but they just have to parrot the propaganda.
Just for the lols, let me drop some decent (maybe decent is a strong word, but you get the idea) critics of this goverment just in case someone actually understand spanish:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqKDHbrcN8Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtJWGZW7Wtg
Do you have any evidence for that? Because it sounds like an unhinged conspiracy theory. The official story is that he's writing his book from his estate in Chiapas. But, maybe you have proof that isn't true?
Again, any evidence for that? Or is it just "everybody knows she can't think for herself".
Ok... again, any evidence or is this just what your brother's cousin's best friend's dog heard on Facebook?
Again... any evidence for these claims?
The claims aren't hard to find, but what about the proof? Si tienes pruebas, muestramelas. And, I'm not talking youtube videos, actual proof, because you really sound unhinged.
You picked and chose whatever fitted your narrative for your reply, that's all I need to know about you and your intentions.
This is the problem with Lemmy, I already told you some things happened during the elections, did you even try to search for them? Of course not, because you are here to spread a narrative, not to confirm it.
I am done with you as you already showed more signs of being a propaganda account (the usual responses and a pick and choose attitude).
Yep, sounds like someone who is deep in the grips of a conspiracy theory. Someone challenges their absolute batshit claims and rather than actually look at how absolutely insane they sound, they accuse the other person of being a "propaganda account".
Seek help man.
Is being antivaxxer liberal?
Is it liberal to give the milita full control of some goverment things and business (even if it's unconstitutional)?
Is it liberal to destroy natural resources even if the court says it's illegal and to stop it?
Is it liberal to cut funds from science, arts, school, medicine and public transportation?
Is it liberal to threaten people to vote for you or they lose that social support (we have a lot of bribes going)?
Is it liberal to claim being a feminist just because she is a woman, while she keeps protecting rapists and misogynists (making such comments herself)?
Is it liberal to destroy the previously independent organisms by filling them with your own people, defund them and then say they should close because they aren't doing their job?
If so, then yes, she is extremely liberal because that's just the tip of the iceberg...