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Ex-christian here. Jesus wasn't a doormat and didn't advocate for others to be doormats. Just because the powerful in society have cultivated their way of reading the new testament doesn't mean you have to agree with their interpretation. Again and again and again, Jesus speaks out against wealth and power, and got crucified after he pissed off the money changers. Ofc, Jesus isn't actually followed by Christians outside of the crucifixion bit; who they really follow is Paul, who was actually pretty cool with wealth, power, and the status quo.
In case you're wondering, my disagreements with the Christian community at large are a big part (but not the only part) of why I'm no longer a Christian. The guy I read about and the guy they seem to be thinking of are two different people. The guy I read about would be chasing the republicans with whips.
Ex-catholic. Fuck Paul and his stupid, Roman ass shit. Ruined the whole thing, honestly.
Fuck Paul. Amen. Guy had some issues.
Even Jesus had his heated moments. Going by the stories, didn't Jesus fly into a rage and literally flip tables just because he didn't like seeing people making money in a temple?
Yes.
It wasn't just people making money, it was that the money changers and the temple were working together to fleece the devout who were coming from far away to show their faith.
It's not like if somebody had a for-profit Cafe inside a church, it's more like the televangelist that use other peoples' devotion to get rich, saying you have to pay more and more to get into heaven.
Hey don't drag Kenneth copeland's good name. He needs a brand new jet so he can spread the word of God without associating with the demons in commercial flights.
That man looks like a demon wearing a human suit.
And it's not a very good human suit.
Right? This is a proper human suit.
Yeah, that's the money changers. He showed up and saw people doing financial trades in THE temple. It'd be like seeing a western union in the Vatican, though it may have been more extreme. Jesus made a whip by hand, busted in, and started flipping tables and chasing folks with the whip. It seems to be no coincidence that he was crucified pretty shortly after that particular stunt. Everyone in power was happy to roll their eyes and scoff until he touched the money.
Same. I still remember the day that I basically paraphrased a Jesus quote in a discussion of current events with my family, and someone asked me if I was some kind of communist and multiple others piled on with no one coming to my defense.
Apparently, actually believing the shit they taught me makes me some kind of radical...
Jesus was a communist and any Christian who believes the teachings of Jesus is a communist too.
Yeah, but they said it like it was an insult.
Well that's because they hate Jesus.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ - Mohandas Gandhi
It's a fuckin banger of a quote, but I regret to say that thanks to ADHD-fueled scourings of random internet rabbit holes instead of of doing college work, I've read that there's no evidence Gandhi actually said that.
The other guy that they are listening to, who definitely wasn't named "Brian."
Jesus would beat modern Christians to death with his bare hands. I guess that's why he's supposed to be wrathful when he returns.
Eh people overblow what Jesus did to the moneychangers and merchants in the temple. Yeah he made a whip and used it to drive the animals out, and he flipped over the tables scattering the money everywhere. But he never tried to to hurt people, just get them out of the temple and disrupt all the commerce going on.
Jesus Christ Superstar's temple scene is probably the most accurate recreation of that passage as written in the Bible. He trashed all the stuff, flipped tables and sent everyone else away. He wouldn't have beaten people to death, that's not the message he preached or the actions he took.
While true, can you imagine Fox news' coverage of just such an action today? He might as well have [redacted] by the way those actions would be portrayed.
I'm not a Christian, but Jesus seems pretty based.
The apostles are not completely fine with wealth either. Peter has the story with Hanniah and Sapphira, where god punishes greed and sharing everything in the early Jerusalem Christian community is the norm. Paul at least has a few being responsible with wealth statements like this one: 1 Timothy 6:17-19 17 Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. 18 Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. 19 In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.