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[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 hours ago (6 children)

Here in Europe we don't get such hurricanes, but we still build very sturdy houses. Why don't people in these American areas do this too?

[–] Novi@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

They mostly don't own anything. Either a rich person or a company owns where they live.

[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

No need to hate on capitalistic America that much. My question is also relevant for companies and landlords that would build houses for other people to live in.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 1 points 39 minutes ago

They want cheap houses to rent because it means lower investment and faster time to profit.

They have insurance, so they don't care if a hurricane removes it or damages it because they can fix it up and charge more once it is fixed or rebuilt.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 25 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

That's a good question. We do, now. But most of us can't buy a new house, so we live in an older house. We don't have a stone quarry anywhere nearby, so no tradition of stone houses, more frame houses because it's hot and there wasn't air conditioning so we built ventilated lighter houses that were cooler in the summer, there are still a lot of them around.

Yes, home hardening is one factor and even here in Florida, the building codes have been updated and the state provides matching funds for making improvements to existing houses (you apply, it can take some years to get to the front of the line) we got storm windows this way, and we got a strong metal roof when we needed to replace the roof covering. It just takes a really long time to change out or update the stock of houses.

And also, even though it seems like houses are getting knocked down every 5 minutes, there are still houses in Tampa built around 1900, it's not that common in most cities. I was born here, am over 50 and haven't even had to evacuate yet, assume it's coming eventually but is not a frequent event here. Last direct hit around 1925.

People are so flippant about "just move" but I was born here, have seen the city get better, love it, have a good job, most of our kids still live nearby, its really expensive to move anywhere and pretty nice here most of the time still, and as a climatologist told my kid when they asked, probably will be ok through their lifetime.

[–] Maeve@midwest.social 1 points 1 hour ago

There's tabby, but it holds heat.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 6 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Stone houses? Are you thinking of castles?

In Europe most houses are made of brick and/or concrete, no need for a quarry anywhere nearby.

Also, the heavier the house the better it does when it's hot. In hot places of Europe, traditional houses had very thick walls, small windows and are painted bright colors to reflect light (and heat).

[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago

We did indeed have a lot of brickyards many moons ago. And they required clay quarries which you can still see all over Europe.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Honestly my image was of some Italian village posted yesterday on Lemmy that looked like it was made of stone. Or Osgiliath.

I do also remember houses with thatched roofs in England though, those don't seem like they would survive a storm.

[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 hours ago

Thanks for the in depth answer. I hadn't thought of there being no easy stone mines.

I'm sad that I'm getting downvoted for simply trying to understand the current housing situation.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Be skeptical:

Without adaptation strategies, the following conditions will likely incur substantial social and economic costs:

  • Flooding of streets, homes, businesses, hospitals, schools, emergency shelters, etc.,
  • Shoreline and beach erosion,
  • Impacts to the operations of coastal drainage systems,
  • Impairment of coastal water supplies and coastal water treatment facilities and infrastructure, and
  • Shifts in habitats and reduced ecosystem services. source

Might be worth it to get a second climatologist opinion.

[–] Dainterhawk999@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Climaxologist?

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 10 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

Trump's campaign includes making homes less sturdy so we can have a larger supply 🙃

[–] logos@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Worked great for his buddy Erdogan.

[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

They already allow cardboard sheathing

[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe his childhood dream was living in a flying house.

[–] Maeve@midwest.social 1 points 1 hour ago

His daddy was a slumlord.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee -3 points 5 hours ago

Tbf Kamala is also campaigning on "more houses" and not "affordable quality houses"

[–] IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

even cheapo plywood and cardboard houses cost a fortune so construction companies don't build with stronger materials because no one would buy the house. that's my armchair opinion at least.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Funny, though, that cheap sticks and cardboard houses like they are common in the US are a rarity here in Europe. Reinforced concrete basements are the norm here, and the rest of any halfway modern house (from the last 80+ years) is brick and mortar. My house has 30cm walls made from concrete blocks, and this is no outlier.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 17 minutes ago

You answered your own question lol. Your "sturdy houses" would also get fucking wrecked by a hurricane or tornado or earthquake or wildfire. We expect our buildings to get destroyed every so often.