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[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

Lemmy: Fuck cars!

Lemmy: Fuck the police!

Lemmy, when someone sabotages the most viable alternative to traffic stops to prevent people from speeding: Yes very good. This is good for society.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Traffic cameras ARE the police...

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Speed traps are just a tool to further monetize and rent seek car culture in the absence of public transit.

You can, in fact, hate both cars and infrastructure that exists solely to make using a car more expensive.

the most viable alternative to traffic stops

I have never heard of a town that reduced the size of its police force after installing a speed trap.

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They do not exist solely to collect revenue, although they certainly do that as well. They have been proven time and again to reduce speeding and fatalities, as other commenters in this thread have pointed out. As far as using traffic cameras to reduce police forces, I haven't been able to find that exactly, but there are plenty of examples of deploying traffic cameras to work around a shortage of officers which works out to the same thing.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 17 hours ago

You know what else would reduce police forces? Eliminating car traffic entirely.

Cops spend the most time on ordinary traffic stops.

[–] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

LaLuzDelSol (on Lemmy): thinks Lemmy is one person

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Why do I keep talking to myself and contradicting every other thing I say?

(Taking this to its logical conclusion, in case I forget why I wrote this when I read it later and feel like arguing with myself about it)

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I generalize ofc but those are definitely the prevailing viewpoints, which seem contradictory.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Better rule: when someone sabotaged surveillance state infrastructure, don’t post footage of them doing it

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 17 hours ago

Lemmy try not to post crimes challenge - impossible. Granted, as far as crimes go, this one seems innocuous enough, but still.

I've been told repeatedly on c/piracy that lemmy is just too small to attract the attention of law enforcement and three-letter agencies

Paradoxically, I've also been told that lemmy is rife with state-sponsored troll farms, so....?

[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 1 points 1 day ago

Those are different kinds of lemmings

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The most viable alternative to traffic stops is a narrow chicane with solid bollards on either side, although oher traffic calming devices are available.

Traffic cameras exist to generate revenue, not to make the streets safer. Intersections with red light cameras almost always have shorter yellow lights, to increase revenue while making the intersection less safe.

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 4 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Traffic Cameras can and do reduce speeding if implemented properly

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 1 points 8 hours ago

What is "implemented properly" and how often does it happen?

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

They are less effective than traffic calming.

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 hours ago

I agree, but I'm pointing out that they do indeed help if implemented correctly

[–] frazorth@feddit.uk 4 points 17 hours ago

No. Traffic cameras in your area are there to generate revenue.

The camera being covered here is not at an intersection so your offtopic comment about revenue is irrelevant. This is a camera on a stretch of road where drivers usually speed, the cameras are painted bright yellow to make them obvious and do a far better job of getting people to slow for hazardous corners than a sign ever did.

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

In California the duration of yellow is determined by a formula incorporating the roads speed limit. If yellow light duration is less than the formula would set, the traffic ticket is dismissed. I'm guessing most states have a similar law.

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, and and those laws are frequently violated to farm more tickets.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 2 points 8 hours ago

And good luck getting a judge to hear your side of it. Not impossible, but then you're missing a day of work for a maybe...

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Another reason for a dash cam.

[–] WordBox@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Source on speeding cameras working for anything other than revenue generation?

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If that were the case, they would be hidden.

They are a deterrent for speeding most of all.

[–] remotedev@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The ones around here, everyone just slows down getting to that intersection, and then picks up speed again after crossing through

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's the main purpose of that cams. Slow drivers on strategic spots that have more chances of accidents.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 7 points 18 hours ago

That does make sense. Never thought of it that way.

[–] Nurgus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the UK (Where the op picture is) the police cannot collect the revenue from cameras and other fines. It all goes to the gov so the cops have zero financial incentive to install speed cameras.

[–] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

money goes to the government

cops get their money from the government

[–] Nurgus@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yes but they get the same amount regardless of the fines. The police see no direct financial connection.

[–] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 0 points 12 hours ago

Unless the police are an entirely independent organization, they can still receive orders from the top directing them to seek out fines even if they're not the ones who directly benefit.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I dunno if you've tried, but I'm here to tell ya, cobble stone streets will absolutely stop speeding really quick.

[–] Norkos@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Nope, just observed it on this weekend on a cobble stone street in very bad condition. It was a 30 km/h zone and other drivers where more about 50.

While I, who only had a driver's license for 3 months, tried not to break the suspension of my car (obviously unfounded).

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 2 points 12 hours ago

So it doesn't work because your sample size = 1?

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How is this not "fuck the police" it's a camera, controlled by the police, to surveil people.

[–] auzy@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It only surveils idiots who are speeding.

Why is this not fuvk people who put pedestrians, cyclists and other drivers in danger

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 1 points 7 hours ago

How do cameras make any difference?

[–] renzev@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Shitposts!? On MY shitposting community!?? It's more likely than you think!

[–] theonetruedroid@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Lemmy users can believe in different things. We need differing opinions or it just stifles a website.

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Narrowing roads and making them less straight also lowers speeding

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 3 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

For reasonable people yes, but those that go 30km/h over the speed limit every time don't care and will always drive as fast as possible in those sections. I once met a guy who claimed to know down to the exact last km/h how fast he could drive until the car lost control in every single curve of a quite curvy road segment. Is it save to drive like that? Absolutely fucking not. Does he car(e)? Also absolutely fucking not.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 1 points 8 hours ago

Speed cameras also won't stop someone like that. Though they might take nice pictures of the wreck.

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago

People like that are gonna cause accidents anyways.

Studies have shown that accidents are more likely to be severe/fatal on wide, straight roads.