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[–] brokenlcd@feddit.it 280 points 3 months ago (6 children)

It seems like a flavour of the rubber duck method; by trying to explain it to a third party, you think about it in a different way and find a solution.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 50 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Never heard the term but I often do it intuitively

[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 73 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Trust me bro(ette): Rubber duck is the SHIT. I don't even program save for a few rare instances, but any complex issue where you just know something is wrong but can't quite put your finger on it? It works miracles. A lot better tbf if you are actually explaining it to someone who can ask questions, but any object that you can look at is a good substitute.

[–] BlackPenguins@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

My cat is my rubber duck. I get some weird looks from her.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Initially I thought this comment was threaded under the "my cat is my rubber duck" comment which made it much worse.

[–] lolrightythen@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Hey, pal - that's my mom you're talking about

[–] ZarkleFarkle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

A rubber duck is a prostitute for thoughts and belief systems.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 months ago

Of cause I know someone who can ask questions. It's me.

No, seriously, when I explain it to myself, I come up with questions that really help

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The rubber duck method is just another flavor of thinking out loud.

[–] HamsterRage@lemmy.ca 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think it's a bit more than that. I think that the idea is that you simplify the problem so that the rubber duck could understand it. Or at least reformulate it in order to communicate it clearly.

It's the simplification, reformulation or reorganisation that helps to get the breakthrough.

Just thinking out loud isn't quite the same thing.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The small but important differences are what makes it another flavor.

[–] HamsterRage@lemmy.ca -2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

You mean "flavour", right? Another small but important difference.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 4 points 3 months ago

As far as I am aware it is a regional difference in spelling, and that is what I get when searching for definitions.

What small but importance difference are you referring to?

[–] superkret@feddit.org 2 points 3 months ago

Explain why "flavor" is wrong, as if I was a rubber duck. You can use any help you like, including a dictionary.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Flavour Flauvvvvv

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

thinking out loud

When your legs don't work like they used to before

And I can't sweep you off of your feet

[–] kwomp2@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Even though this is true for like 90% of my thinking (that I can see when I try), so far I'm concinced this ist because I am a predominantly language-and-normal-grammar-rules thinker.

There are people that mostly think via associations of words that don't have to be formulated/ cast into grammar.

And then there supposedly people mainly thinking in pictures or smth, without words.

Anyways for some people rubber duck mode reoresents a change in thinking method, I think

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 6 points 3 months ago

Yes, saying thinks out loud requires a different change in thinking because you are verbalizing the thoughts in addition to approaching it as an explanation instead of just an understanding. I know how a phone works, but describing how it works is a different thing from knowing. The duck is just a stand in for someone else to get the mindset of explaining

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I'm one of the latter that doesn't really think in words, and a LOT of the time, thoughts have to be greatly simplified or at least much more organized to be stated in clear sentences. It's that pause-and-refine that often gets the breakthrough for me. Sometimes it takes clear until I'm trying to put it in understandable sentences instead of a big ramble, but it still largely boils down to ACTUALLY stopping the task work to loop back over the landscape.

A lot of people do the same thing physically. Like when you're climbing a big ladder and suddenly realize how high up you are, or how unstable the ladder is. Just a pause and broadening of attention is often enough to cue different thoughts and realizations.

[–] probableprotogen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

AI in general is only a glorified rubber duck for most cases. The amount of bullshit cobbled together is too high for many uses

[–] brokenlcd@feddit.it 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ai, the rolling coal of tought processes

[–] ZarkleFarkle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

That can generate better logic systems than Newton's laws and fully utilise harmonics instead.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] chad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago
[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 5 points 3 months ago

I've been using it like that. I have been trying to program this macropad thing I bought that uses python without having done much programming and it has yet to give me a solution that works. But in the course of explaining to it why whatever it gave me doesn't work I've made a lot of progress so that's nice at least.