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I don't like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he's publicly told Israel to "finish up their war". He'll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn't a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it's a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy's, and "sticking it to liberals" and "refusing to support genocide" (that's not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way -- a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump's campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I'll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there's a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 73 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Do I hate the two party system? Yes. Do I hate the fact that centrists like Joe Liberman who literally killed universal healthcare in the US are revered and embraced by Biden's party? Yes. Do I hate the fact that Democrats are always dismissive of liberal ideas and often act like complete jackasses and can't admit that when Obama was running there were a ton of Clinton supporters that didn't vote for Obama in a blatant act of pure hypocrisy? Yes.

Do I fucking hate Nazis and Fascist? Fuck yes.

Hence why even if I don't like the Democrat running, I'll vote for them and honestly, Biden isn't too sucktastic. Except for kyrsten sinema, she can fuck right the hell off forever.

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I hate how so many critics talk about they when criticising a political party. Get involved. Run for local office, become a part of the inside of the party. How can Democrats ever represent younger leftists, when so few of the younger leftists let their voice be heard outside of anonymous forums?

[–] abracaDavid@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Yeah lemme get like $2,000,000 so I can go run for office.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

All so a bunch of white Boomers can show up and vote against you for being "too radical".

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Campaigns don’t tend to be self-funded.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 11 points 7 months ago

Hey are you involved in your political party? Have you run for local office?

You aren't also being a hypocrite by telling other people to get involved while not doing it yourself right?

[–] Kumikommunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do I hate the fact that centrists like Joe Liberman who literally killed universal healthcare in the US are revered and embraced by Biden's party?

Joe Biden explicitly said he would veto any legislation involving universal healthcare. You oppose universal healthcare, but you're hiding behind the spectre of "centrists".

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/10/facebook-posts/when-biden-was-asked-if-he-would-veto-medicare-all/

And again, as a minority in America, I would take Biden over a Nazi any day. Doesn't mean I love him to death and would take him into my arms and give him a reach around but fuck anyone who would vote for a Nazi.

[–] abracaDavid@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do I hate everything going on in this country? Yes. Do I still keep voting to have the same shit happen over and over? Yes.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I mean if you want to vote in a bunch of fucking Nazis and fascists just for some change , well feel fucking free to do so, I'm just going to consider you stupid and a Nazi.

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] halva@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 7 months ago

not literally everything that's bad is fascist

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

this doesnt change the truth of what i said

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sure. Very nice truthiness there Billy.

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social 2 points 7 months ago

this is an appeal to ridicule. it is not a rebuttal

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 7 months ago

The party needs to start trying to win apathetic voters over if they’re as terrified as they claim to be of trump, not just spout vague platitudes, push out the most bare bones minimum viable policy possible and then shrug when it gets dismembered in committee.