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    "But my friend runs a PinePhone as a daily driver" (lemmy.ml)
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    [–] adhdplantdev@lemm.ee 31 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Okay look I get what we're trying to say here but would it be problematic if I pointed out that Android is also running Linux?

    [–] SuperSynthia@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    It’s a valid point, but unfortunately your non bullshit options are limited to replacing the OS with something like Graphene or Lineage.

    The powers that be REALLY want your data.

    [–] adhdplantdev@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    I thought you could just use the Android open source project? I thought the tracking was mostly baked into Google's flavor of Android not the open source product

    [–] SuperSynthia@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

    I don’t know if a phone that uses the open source version as base. Usually they build off open source or google and add in all the manufacturer/carrier bloat. For me to get off One Plus’s built in OS I had to go through this whole process on their website to get the code to unlock the boot loader.

    I have lineage os as a replacement and it’s really cool. My mobile internet stopped working on it though :( my next phone is gonna roll with Graphene

    [–] 0x2d@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

    lineage is significantly more polished than aosp

    [–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

    And lo, the Apocrypha were born, for they spoke the truth that no man dare admitt, lest they be marked an apostate.

    [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Isn't that like claiming all Linux, Android and MacOS are just UNIX?

    [–] adhdplantdev@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    I mean not technically.. those products use a separent kernel that has its own development path away from the Linux kernel. Linux is just a compatible Unix kernel but I wouldn't classify it as a Unix operating system since it diverges into its own thing. Android still uses the Linux kernel not some piece of code that they developed and not some commercial Unix product

    [–] legion02@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    Not if they don't share any heritage with Unix. Osx is the only one that fits the bill there.

    [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

    It also counts in the other way: Apple licensed the UNIX™ trademark.

    [–] lemmeee@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

    GNU is a recursive acronym for "GNU's Not Unix!",[6][12] chosen because GNU's design is Unix-like, but differs from Unix by being free software and containing no Unix code.[6][13][14] Stallman chose the name by using various plays on words, including the song The Gnu.[4]: 45:30 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU

    [–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    See, this is why, yet again, Stallman was right: insisting on "GNU/Linux" is necessary in order to disambiguate between the fully-Free Software OS and bastardized half-proprietary stuff like Android.

    [–] lemmeee@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

    Exactly. Even in this community and in this post people keep mixing Linux, GNU/Linux and Android. It's crazy that even people who use this operating system are confused. Almost always when they say Linux they really mean GNU/Linux. Linux Mint or Arch Linux are GNU/Linux. But Android isn't and it doesn't even use the mainline Linux kernel.

    The issue of freedom is a separate thing, because even most GNU/Linux distros contain proprietary software just like Android.

    [–] lntl@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    i use Arch btw

    [–] ignotum@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    I use GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux btw

    [–] lemmeee@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

    Same, on desktop and mobile. I don't know if it's funny or sad that a community called "linuxmemes" can't tell the difference between Linux, GNU/Linux and Android.

    [–] Xanaus@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

    I guess most ppl who are supporting the gnu/linux phone are the ones who want a similar apple like features like how the prism os had promised to provide.