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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 83 points 6 months ago (7 children)

There seems to be little doubt that Defendants, or at least some members of RAM, engaged in criminal violence. But they cannot be selected for prosecution because of their repugnant speech and beliefs over those who committed the same violence with the goal of disrupting political events

That's actually part of the judge's decision. "These people are guilty, but since you didn't prosecute those other people, too bad."

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 70 points 6 months ago (2 children)

“I don’t believe it’s warranted that Mr. Rundo spend one minute more in custody, so I’m going to release him forthwith,” Carney said. “I feel very comfortable in the decision I’ve made.”

Of course he feels comfortable with that. He's one of the white supremacists.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago

Rundo was accused not just of organizing the violent confrontations, but also of attacking protesters and police officers. After Rundo was ordered by police to stop attacking a “defenseless person” during the Berkeley protest, he allegedly punched an officer twice in the head, according to an arrest warrant.

I'd be willing to bet that the majority of this judge's supporters have Thin Blue Line bumper stickers and still support this decision.

[–] Cerbero@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

He’s a white hooded judge. Of course he’s comfortable.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 53 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not allowed to punish white folks until you punish just as many minorities. (Think about that math...)

[–] eltrain123@lemmy.world 37 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Nobody bring up the BLM arrests during the protests…

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago

Or the Cop City arrests and prosecutions that have been going on more recently

Or the Dakota Access Pipeline protests from a while ago

Or [etc.]

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I've brought this up before but I'll say it again: I have never met a member of a group of violent and organized far left extremists, or anyone who identifies as Antifa, to the point that I have trouble believing they exist. I've met some far left wackos, but none claiming to be organized or in cahoots with other far left wackos, and most of their violence was in speech only.

But I've met way too many far right knuckleheads who'd be all too happy to shoot someone.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Similarly, the only time you would hear someone described as 'woke' just a few years ago is if one black person talked about another black person about being aware of racial injustice.

And then there was "social justice warrior," which, like antifa, is not actually a thing. But if it was, the #1 candidate would be their hero Jesus.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I've met a couple SJWs that were unhinged, but they weren't really violent and certainly not an organized terror group the the fucking Proud Boys

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I’ve met a couple SJWs that were unhinged

No you haven't, because "SJW" isn't a thing. It's an insult. And a stupid one.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

And you clearly don't remember 2016. There were quite a few people parading around and correcting people's speech, which kinda led to this whole woke and anti woke stuff.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ah yes. It was the people asking that maybe people should be more consciencous and to not be openly terrible who are to blame for it all...

Not the entitled asshats who puffed up their chests and screamed "You can't tell me what to do!" when someone told them "You're being kinda hurtful could you please stop? "

Here's the thing when your life sucks because people are being regularly being awful. Not mentioning anything and being quiet and meek and accepting of other people basically being a regular impingment on your ability to flourish or be comfortable doesn't change your circumstances. They are just gunna keep being awful and draining your batteries. Also those people flipped the fuck out over "hey maybe the way women are depicted in videogames is kind of male centric and kind of shit if you aren't a guy" and in response went on a terror campaign to literally ruin the lives of those who decided to mention that maybe they were dreaming of a better situation. That little over-reaction was not proportionate in scope.

Fighting for empathy is a hard business. The "anti-woke" can never truly win as what they seek to suppress will always be there. They must always exert force because that dissatisfaction and misery that underlies the asks won't go away... it can be silenced, rendered mute by fear and consequences of retaliation and stifled for another generation but the cost is that the boot must always be forced down because it's never quite able to eliminate that final resistance of people coming into existance who realize they aren't who society is built for and who have no option but to suffer. The people beneath the boot might be weakened temporarily as the fight ebbs and flows but the harder the boot comes down the deeper the dispair the more desperate the resistance.

Just the implications that people are unhappy does not sit well with the anti-woke crowd. They resent the idea that people's unhappiness is directly caused by them which rubs uncomfortably against their idea of the world as an ultimately fair place. Hence why they always argue that people are lying and exaggerating their discomfort. That the facts are wrong, that the people they are causing pain to deserve it somehow. It's all just lame dodges around the central issue. They are causing discomfort. They can choose to double down and cause more, ignore it or rationalize it or choose to believe that they as the truest form of being knows what's best for the people experiencing it- indeed better than the people who live that experience ... But they cannot end it.

The notion that what they are being asked to do won't individually impact them very much is something that they scoff at and then just ignore spaces where these adaptations have been successful. The landscape of gaming became a little more equitable after gamergate because some developers basically just realized that yeah, maybe they were undercutting women and changing formulas a little does kind of expand their market? Gamergate threw their tantrum but most of them barely registered that gaming still continued to service their needs while expanding it's service to others but because they were on to throwing a tantrum about something else they never really registered that what changed was... fine actually?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

2016? It has been an insult since 2011 and Gamergate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/10/07/why-social-justice-warrior-a-gamergate-insult-is-now-a-dictionary-entry/

Before that it was a very rarely-used term that was occasionally positive but usually neutral.

It's not a thing.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I’ve done nonviolent antifa. It’s not something you are, but something you do. I am anti fascist, and sometimes I need to march against fascists because jackasses try to march in hoods and swastikas sometimes where I live.

The reason you don’t know anyone who identifies as antifa and actually does anything though is usually they’ll either identify with a group like the jbgc or sra or they’ll practice opsec. Black block only works if you shut your damn mouth. Also because usually it’s in a defensive or reactive action.

[–] Jesus_666@feddit.de 16 points 6 months ago

I'm certain other judges will be stoked to see people cite this in future cases. "You can't punish me because other people did similar things and aren't part of this trial. Here's an earlier case where the court has decided that way."

[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

"Arrest the President of Antifa immediately for unauthorized libbing."

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

And that's right after the part where he equates Trump supporters with Nazis.

[–] Tramort@programming.dev 1 points 6 months ago

Whataboutism is now case law