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[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 135 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Forgot how Pro-drug the fediverse is as well; vapes should be regulated as heavily as cigarettes and other tobacco products. Just because it's less harmful doesn't mean it's not harmful.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vaping should be limited to 18+ consumers just like "standard" nicotine products. But we shouldn't pretend, like the WHO and other organizations do, that Vaping hasn't been used by many (myself included) to effectively quit nicotine. Personally I kicked a 2 pack a day habit because of vaping and today I use no nicotine products (including vaping) because of it.

[–] scottywh@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agreed.

More restrictions is uncalled for.

I quit smoking cigarettes using a "box mod" in 2016 and gradually tapered down from a very high nicotine blend to 0 nicotine using 100% vegetable glycerin and peppermint flavoring and then I finally literally lost my vape and just never bothered to replace it...

So anyways, I started smoking over 30 years ago and I don't vape or smoke anymore.

[–] piecat@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We need stricter regulations on the production of disposables or ingredients. Like, using diacetyl which is known to cause popcorn lung. Or the whole vitamin E oil causing lung disease in black market vapes...

Maybe something similar to the regulations around alcohol. We know alcohol is bad, but the long term effects are much different than going blind from methanol.

Smoking or vaping isn't good long term, but it shouldn't be able to kill your lungs after a few uses.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That was a problem with black market and unregulated Vape production, especially in the early days. It was never widespread, it just happened in a few places where people were buying vape products off of some random guy on the street. This was mostly a problem when this stuff first came out, because there wasn't a lot of legitimate companies making the vape juice and cartridges at first.

I do agree that we need regulation on the disposable vapes just for the amount of trash that they create. Disposables are so much worse for the environment than refillable vapes.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Shouldn't that be an argument to regulate it less, not "as heavily"?

Many mundane things are less harmful than cigarettes and shouldn't be regulated as heavily.

Edit: typo

[–] DrGunjah@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yup zero logic in his comment, still has 30 upvotes right now.

[–] clearleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What's too heavy about how cigarettes are regulated in your country? I'm in Canada and when I smoked cigarettes I never felt like I was obstructed in making my own choices.

Many mundane things are less harmful than cigarettes and shouldn't be regulated as heavily

Why not? We regulate the shit out of food and medicine and those are the exact opposite of harmful when everything goes as planned.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

vapes should be regulated as heavily as cigarettes

My comment referred to this quote. It's a comparison between how heavy two things are regulated. Neither needs to be heavily regulated for this comparison to work.

What’s too heavy about how cigarettes are regulated in your country? I’m in Canada and when I smoked cigarettes I never felt like I was obstructed in making my own choices.

I'm fine with how cigarretes are regulated in Germany. Could be still heavier. I'm not fine with regulating vapes as heavy. Especially taxes.

It's ridiculous when vaping becomes more expensive than smoking. This creates incentive to quit vaping and smoke. Should be reversed.

Many mundane things are less harmful than cigarettes and shouldn’t be regulated as heavily

Why not? We regulate the shit out of food and medicine and those are the exact opposite of harmful when everything goes as planned.

That's two different kinds of regulation. You're referring to regulations to make things safer. These are great.

I was talking about regulations to make things less accessible. These are great if the things are dangerous.

It makes sense to make things less accessible which are more dangerous.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

fuck vapes and drug abuse in general, but the fedi isn't pro fucking anything. Just because you see a pattern doesn't mean it's there.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

I'd ban cigarettes and legalise heroin