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Is there a country we can jump to? Kinda like when Reddit got lame we all jumped to Lemmy? Where is our Lemmy country?
Sure, feel free to go literally anywhere else if you want to bail on a country for having problems.
theres a difference between normal country problems and systemic US issues due to its impending collapse
If you think we're actually on the edge of collapse then you have been on the internet wayyy too much.
Well there was a national coup attempt recently.
No we didn't lol. Assuming you're talking Jan 6, that was nothing close to being a coup.
Many qualified people disagree with you https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election#Description_as_attempted_coup_during_or_after_the_Capitol_attack
I say it's not a real coup because you can't take it seriously lol.
Imagine they won completely, they managed to get everyone into the house of reps and just stand there or something. What do you think would happen after? Whatever they were hoping to happen there would be void. If they somehow kidnapped every rep and forced them to swear in Trump, do you think that would even mean anything?
The reps would say whatever the fuck they need to be safe, everyone would consider it a terrorist hostage situation, the idea of even recognizing that as somehow a legitimate political process is a joke.
Let me ask you, in what possible way could those fat dumbass conservatives actually have instilled him as president? Like give me the step by step of what they'd have to violently do to make sure it'd be enforced for 4 years or whatever.
A poorly failed and failed coup attempt has an obvious historical antecedent, for one thing, in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch
Second, the fact that they tried at all, even if it was stupid, is concerning and worth taking seriously.
Also, all of the laws about who's president and who's in charge are "made up*. You understand that, right? If enough people start to disagree on fundamentals like "accept the election results" you're going to have a failed state, civil war, that kind of unpleasantness.
They probably assumed a few key players would have folded and they would have gotten their way, or trump would have declared martial law or similar. A lot of these people seem to want a dictatorship. Some of them seem to want to dismantle the state.
There's no referee. There's no computer enforcing the rules. If a bunch of people with guns say "no. This guy is in charge now. We don't care about the election" that's a crisis that needs to be taken seriously. If it was four guys outside a Walmart in Phoenix, fine, only a little concerning. This was, what, tens of thousands of people, who traveled far to get to DC, with the support of a large chunk of one of our two major parties. That's serious. That's 1923 serious.
To be like "oh that can't happen" is just head in the sand. Recency bias. Wishful thinking.
You're looking at it all wrong. Legitimacy isn't magic. There's no ref. It doesn't need to be "legitimate" it just needs enough might for people to accept it. And coups aren't legitimate to begin with!
Oh no, we are in the imperial collapse. Cannabalizing the vassal states, lashing out in death throes, stagnation and decay on every level, etc. The US is still many, many decades around from actual complete destabilization that could cause a collapse.
But the US hasn't done anything to change their rustbucket, so their breakdown is inevitable.
You are confirming that you spend too much time on the internet
The brain drain on Reddit now makes reading some of the forums I used to follow very painful. The level of discourse, the turn of phrase, the obscure references that now now end at the 2000s instead of going back decades. The depth of knowledge there has shallowed because the kids who grew up reading and upvoting our posts, who lived vicariously through our old ass generation, are now in charge, and many of them have no real world knowledge to share.
I remember life before the internet, I remember black and white television, I remember seeing the Beatles live on television, I remember how rap started because I was there, I remember nuclear drills because I lived under Reagan, I remember MTV when they played music videos, I lived through the first World Trade center bombing, and 9/11 in New York.
I went from the Commodore 64 and dialup internet in the 80s, to building my first computer in the 90s. I remember buying Red Hat Linux in a box at Barnes & Noble, and then slowly watching Linux get better, I even watched Android mature from nothing to where it is today. Working in publishing for two decades allowed me to see the development of ebooks. I even saw portable music develop from my walkman, to a CD player, to the bulky ugly ass mp3 player I defaulted to because I rejected Apple.
These kids on Reddit now remember some basic ass shit from the oughts.
I apologize for the old man's rant.