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Authors using a new tool to search a list of 183,000 books used to train AI are furious to find their works on the list.

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[–] adriaan@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That would be a much better comparison if it was artificial intelligence, but these are just reinforcement learning models. They do not get inspired.

[–] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More to the point: they replicate patterns of words.

[–] lloram239@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That's a Bingo!

[–] Shurimal@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

just reinforcement learning models

...like the naturally occuring neural networks are.

[–] Khalic@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The brain does not work the way you think… (I work in the field, bio-informatics). What you call “neural networks” come from an early misunderstanding of how the brain stores information. It’s a LOT more complicated and frankly, barely understood.

[–] canihasaccount@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, accurately simulating a single pyramidal neuron requires an eight-layer deep neural network:

https://www.cell.com/neuron/pdf/S0896-6273(21)00501-8.pdf

[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

that was an interesting read, thank you

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s a LOT more complicated and frankly, barely understood.

Yet you confidently state that the brain doesn't work the way LLMs do?

Obviously it doesn't work exactly the same way that LLMs do, if only because of the completely different substrates. But when you get to more nebulous concepts like "creativity" and "inspiration" it's not so clear.

[–] lloram239@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

The part where brain and neural net differ is in the learning via backpropagation, that seem to be done different in the brain, as there is no mechanism to go backwards through the network and jiggle the weights.

That aside, they seem to work very similar once they are trained, as the knowledge they are able to extract from data ends up being basically the same that a human would be able to extract. There is surprisingly little weirdness in AI and a surprising amount of human-like capabilities.

people have a definite fear of being defined as machines... not sure why we think were so special..

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

so its barely understood, but this definitely is not it. got it.

[–] FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But you, random stranger on the internet, knows better than the guy that literally works in the field. Got it.

i do? where did i claim that?

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tell you what, you get a landmark legal decision classifying LLM as people and then we'll talk.

Until then it's software being fed content in a way not permitted by its license i.e. the makers of that software committing copyright infringement.

[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What exactly was not permitted by the license? Reading?

[–] sab@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Using it to (create a tool to) create derivatives of the work on a massive scale.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

An AI model is not a derivative work. It does not contain the copyrighted expression, just information about the copyrighted expression.

[–] SirGolan@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago

Wikipedia: In copyright law, a derivative work is an expressive creation that includes major copyrightable elements of a first, previously created original work.

I think you may be off a bit on what a derivative work is. I don't see LLMs spouting out major copyrightable elements of books. They can give a summary sure, but Cliff Notes would like to have a word if you think that's copyright infringement.

[–] lloram239@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Better tell that Google and their search index, book scanning project and knowledge graph.

[–] sab@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I didn't know those were LLMs, TIL.

[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Well when that happens we have laws. So no problems