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[–] mwguy@infosec.pub -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

When did Anti-environmentalist tomfoolery become pro-Nazi?

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not the cause, it's the tactics. Throwing people in jail before they actually do anything is a classic hallmark of tyranny.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The tactics are tyrannical but not uniquely fascist. Jailing political opponents because they angered the crown is a European tradition that predates Rome.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fair. I guess fascist is just what humanity has come to call such things.

[–] mosscap@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 year ago

Fascist is also what humanity uses to refer to actual fascism, which is having a pretty unfortunate resurgence at the moment. Its not just referring to tyranny.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago

I heard someone call the removal of the green M&M fascism once. Just because people label it as such doesn't make it accurate.

[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, Nazis have a consistent record of being everything anti human and good personified. Capitalists want oil production to continue, they'll fund fascists to be their force to ensure it goes uninterrupted

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nazis were largely wiped out before society at large realized Carbon emissions were a problem. Externalizing problems with our nation states on "Nazi Gremlins" instead of our lack of dedication to freedom is exactly why these theoretical protestors are political prisoners.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The NSDAP was wiped out in 1945 but denazification was woefully incomplete and individual Nazis held positions of power in institutions like NATO, NASA, West German intelligence, etc, well after the 50s. That's just direct members of the NSDAP and not all the neo-nazi splinter parties which West Germany and United Germany by their own admissions never wiped out. Add onto that various explicitly neo-Nazi groups in other countries and active militant Nazi-adjacent groups overseas and I don't think it's accurate or productive to say that Nazism has been "largely wiped out".

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are more cases of measles in Western society than Nazis. Measles has been "largely wiped out" when compared to it's peak.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

it's peak.

Its.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Become"? No. It just has been for lone one of their indicative "modern" traits.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah that's incorrect.

https://facingtoday.facinghistory.org/examining-nazi-environmentalism-during-earth-week

Their motivations were still racist and bad, but the Nazis in Germany were not anti-environment.

Unless you mean modern Nazis, at which point ok maybe I haven't really researched modern Nazis. I know the people they support certainly are, whether they admit they're Nazis or not.

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean... They explicitly said "modern"

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On a thread about Nazi Germany, forgive me for staying on topic.

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

My bad, I didn't notice that.

I do think though that the parent comment was mainly referring to detaining people without due process when talking about Nazi Germany, rather than the environmental perspective.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

Gonna need a source on that.

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

More pro-fascism