One could get good answers from a philosophy community, I agree. My original motivation was getting answers from people in general further than philosophy-subscribed people, almost like trying to start a discussion with friends, you know? One can always do own research or ask an AI otherwise.
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there is no way to avoid causing harm in this world
seems like that, unless we stop the universe or end it all. afaik there is no evidence for plants consciousness, or feeling pain. but eating plants harms plants, which are life. they do react, communicate to the environment, which includes what humans do to them. besides there is a ton of organisms in our body dying to maintain we alive. i mean, even the sun is dying while earth and life on it consumes its energy... seems like suffering, death, disorder, is one way or another the nature of where we are; one exploring/exploiting other entities existence for maintaining its own existence and prosperity. on harming existing entities, we just judge as moral/immoral on the degree to what is closer to our nature (which include ourselves, animals, plants, ...) and what will impact them (work exploitation, capitalism, environments damage, animal murdering, ...).
- for b12 they need to be fortified...
- how are those as good for the human organism as animal products? body processes different energy sources differently.
- cost benefit and availability worldwide? if having a healthy diet can be already expensive, what about a "healthy" vegan diet?
- why artificial product like tum would be better than natural?
- it is good to have complete plant-based protein sources, i do eat them. but our body processes different sources of protein differently. give the sources saying they are as nutritious for our body
i'm saying this from anecdotal evidence. i took supplements, complete plant-based proteins, seeds/nuts, ... still was having negative effects. medics, nutritionists told me to stop with such vegan diet
And never suggest anyone to be vegan or vegetarian (would you like leading people you care for being unhealthy, dying early?). Suggest decreasing animal products production and consumption, mainly thinking about sustainability (emissions) and healthy issues (evidence of utraprocessed red meat is carcinogen), and unnecessary suffering because of consumerism. Take veganism, vegetarianism as a your own philosophy if you wish.
I see. For me, life itself is order (or dynamical order https://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/10/4/42), while many or most events we experience are disorder leading to our death (there are discussions on the possible Universe's entropy increase and thus disorder). So, as humans, we have to work to maintain the order and progress (see also positivism) for our self-preservation, self-replication, and desires. This seems correlated with the idea of the game of black and white, also yin and yang. One could wonder why it has to be that way; why our natural fear/panic of actual death, disorder, chaos.
Life is chaos, order is just chaos of lesser magnitude.
By that, do you mean life itself or events which a living being can experience?
It is a simple and powerful idea. That's good.
Stoics discovered it a while ago, there’s no point to life.
I am not much familiar with it, but wasn't Stoicism's life meaning about following Stoic's virtues which requires healthy interaction with other humans (ideally virtuous ones for better influences) and nature for a meaningful/flourishing life (one becoming the best possible version of oneself) achieving one's purposes/goals beyond just surviving?
As far as I know, the existentialism and cosmological nihilism philosophies that said life has no meaning from a cosmological interpretation.
https://www.philosophyoflife.org/jpl202003.pdf
Hindus ... improve balance by dharma
I will have to look at that. Thanks!
We can all agree; meanwhile nobody does anything... The individual can try to adapt using available resources as to not develop or try dealing with issues: spirituality and evidence-based therapy is a good start, and I believe that should be taught since childhood.