gasgiant

Ah so you're still talking about some hypothetical situation where EVs get used but don't have to deal with real world driving issues.

Yes in that very specific hypothetical situation an EV may outlast an ICE. However the ICE is getting no damage either in this world. So who can say.

However Renault saying they will last longer than ICE because the batteries aren't aging as badly as they thought is still completely untrue. Far more issues with long term EV ownership than just battery age.

When we have some 20 year plus EVs with hundreds of thousands of miles on them still driving around then maybe that will be true.

What on earth are you talking about?

Part of the car ownership and life is driving and using it.

If neither of them was driven or used then ICE still wins. What do you think happens to batteries if you let them sit and completely discharge?

So sitting in a garage unused = expressive electric brick. For ICE that's a car that can be restored in some way

Using them on the roads and getting damage to the battery pack = a write off for an electric car. The level of damage needed to write off an ICE car is much higher. They're much more repairable.

Yes theoretically an EV should outlast an ICE but in the real world they won't at the moment.

This is backed by the much higher insurance costs for EVs.

That's odd as the insurance costs for electric vehicles keep going up. A large chuck of which is the cost for repair or the likelihood of minor damage (e.g battery pack) resulting in a write off.

https://www.ft.com/content/9a353ff6-ce86-4c53-b736-a1f24fdabe80

So in a perfect world where the EV works perfectly all it's life then they probably will.

However in a world with other drivers and faults that even Renault can't repair in their own cars resulting in write-offs (can't find the article on that one) then we aren't there yet.

Not anti electric vehicles just this statement at this moment is false.

Yes yes they are. Don't need to look past the sequel trilogy films. Which are essentially:

A happy days reunion special.

Running from set piece to set piece with a mess of a plot

Fuck it let's just bring Palptine back to make it look like we had some grand plan.

Ah nice to see Red Bull continuing their tradition of managing their drivers in the shitiest ways.

Yeah but does anyone call them that? I'd still call that kind of fine cut a paper cut.

Never heard anyone say "ow I've got a cardboard cut"

Are the cuts from packaging different then?

Never heard of cardboard cuts.....

That's a shame. Although living in that van all those years probably didn't help.

Hasn't every supermarket always done this?

Next they'll get round to the large special offer price labels that coincidentally cover the price per gram/liter. Strangely enough when you move them and look at that price often other sizes nearby are actually better value. Wonder how that happens... 🤔

I'm trying to coin the phrase distopia.

To make it clear we're talking about this dystopia we're living in now.

I'm also open to it meaning a world where everyone's disses are completely on point.

Yep nice but of classic projection.

Mine keeps telling me, angrily, how angry I am. Yet I want absolutely zero to do with her and avoid her at all cost.

It's quite an achievement to be a drug taking dickhead for nearly 40 years!