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This is a bit of an Ask Historians question.

I've been reading about the Japanese surrender on Wikipedia, and one thing I thought was strange was that the post-war occupation of Japan was largely handled only by the US under MacArthur. The original plan during the war was apparently for the Allies to divide it, but somehow the plan changed. Stalin allegedly wanted to occupy Hokkaido, Japan's northern island, but Truman was opposed and it didn't happen.

Contrast this to Germany (an East-West split than lasted for decades) and Austria (an East-West split, but the Soviets didn't block full Austrian independence after a relatively short period. In Asia, the Japanese-controlled areas were mostly returned - China received Taiwan, coastal China in the south and east and Manchuria in the northeast. The Soviet Union retook Sakhalin island, just north of Hokkaido. Korea had been occupied by Japan for a few decades, and rather than Japan, it was Korea that was split between the Soviets and the US and shortly after became DPRK and ROK, transitioning into the Korean War as we know it, and the Korean peninsula is still split.

Japan, I think, fared reasonably well - the US were largely gone within ten years (but with a presence of military bases), and even during the occupation, Japan still technically governed themselves. I think it could have potentially gone much worse if the Soviets were involved, but the reasons for Soviet non-involvement are not very clear.

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[–] kirklennon@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The western Allies and Soviets both actively took Germany, coming in from either side and meeting in the middle. They split the country because they were already there. The Soviet Union never really made it to Japan proper. They took over Manchuria and Japan surrendered ASAP to the US alone once it became obvious that the only alternative was to surrender to both powers later and likely be split like Germany.

It’s worth highlighting that this was the immediate impetus for surrender. The atomic bombs were basically non-factors.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

Pretty much this. When the news of the first atomic bomb reached high command, they treated it like any other bombing run. When news of the soviets formally declaring war on Japan reached them, there was an urgent meeting of the high council.

The USA did maintain a contingent of troops in Japan for some time, as did the UK, both to ensure Japan obeyed them and to make the soviets think twice before deciding to invade, as that would lead to a direct confrontation of USA x USSR. Japan was also used a staging point for USA troops some years later, when the Korean War began

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I would like other opinions on this, maybe it should be its own post somewhere, and please do not think that I am in any way excusing the horror of the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but what do people think of the idea that if the U.S. had not dropped those bombs, a larger-scale nuclear exchange, possibly between the Soviets and the U.S., would have happened because no one would have seen the consequences in 1945.

Again, not an excuse for what happened. I just wonder if that was what stopped a future nuclear exchange.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because the Soviet contribution to the war effort was too little and too late for them to have earned a major seat at the table.

[–] Bananable@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Theres a history matters video on it.

[–] ladel@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Found it - https://youtube.com/watch?v=yOWX9LVUt2w

It says that the US did most lf the fighting, so felt entitled to take the lion's share and were the only ones with the A-bomb so felt they could dictate what they wanted. And the Allies were not in a good financial position to sustain another occupation. It makes some degree of sense, but I don't understand why the exact same arguments didn't apply to Korea just across the sea.

[–] EtnaAtsume@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It was, though not in the way you may be thinking - even so, Okinawa was a US territory until the seventies and still houses several bases.