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Title says most of it. Spin electric scooters exited the Seattle market and abandoned their scooters all over the city and apparently they have a pi 4 in them!

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[–] Hextic@lemmy.world 125 points 1 year ago

So that's where all the damn Pi4s went.

[–] Meltbox@lemmy.world 105 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is such a terrible application. These things would drain their battery just running the pi and electronics. Why such a high power platform for such basic functionality?

This screams of free money flooding startups. Amateur hour.

[–] Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 1 year ago

putting prototypes straight into production is the "tech startup" way!

[–] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not intimately familiar with the BCM2711 but I believe it's a reasonable, albeit somewhat overpowered, processor for the application. It can be put into a variety of low power states and probably pulled out of sleep by various events like the GSM chip sending packets or accelerometer motion (frequently the peripheral chips have dedicated "wakeup" pins that you can wire to interrupts). It's not the most cost effective option by far, there are sub $5 microcontrollers with multiple cores for handling communications and real time motor control concurrently but you'd need to hire someone like me for a few months @$200/hr to write the low level drivers and design the boards. The rpi lets random web-only devs fumble their way through hardware development using whatever GitHub Python libraries they can find. If you only need a hundred scooters it makes more sense to just yolo it and buy up the remaining supply of rpis to start your grift.

[–] pinkfootedgoose@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Great explanation. I'd be one of those web Devs.

[–] i_am_not_a_robot@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Surely the drive motors use far more energy than the computer, and the computer doesn't need to be fully powered on all the time.

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[–] Godort@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a lot cheaper than getting an EE to design you a more efficient bespoke solution.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could just buy an ESP32 board instead, at least that doesn't suck down power and need to boot Linux to function.

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

They probably could have used a Pico, certainly a zero instead of a 4

[–] nothacking@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh so that's why you can't buy them anymore, people are using them as microcontrollers.

[–] dan@upvote.au 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Pis are pretty commonly used in industrial automation use cases (production lines, robot arms, etc) too. They're not the best thing for those use cases, but they're far cheaper than anything else, and anyone with basic programming knowledge can get something running on them, rather than having to find someone experienced with embedded systems (usually in C or C++).

When there were major supply chain issues, a lot of the limited supply was going towards those use cases, as the companies using them had already placed large orders very far in advance.

[–] FryHyde@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It wasn't just that they placed orders in advance. The pi foundation literally told people it was prioritizing those customers over anyone else. Kinda shitty IMO, considering the reason the pi was built in the first place.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not well versed on the details surrounding this, but it sounds like Pi pivoted to supply businesses during the chip shortage, instead of direct to consumer in the more hobbyist space.

That seems like a win win, well within moral business practice.

Yes, Pi was founded (afaik) as a cheap minimalist PC. No thrills or bullshit, with a strong moral stance on making a barebones PC available to all.

Pivoting to help keep a global chip shortage from causing a global collapse of anything needing simple circuit boards isn't evil. It's helping everyone get through potentially a lot worse than not having access to a mostly hobbyist device. And it probably meant they could use their own impacted supply line in the most efficient way possible.

Hopefully the consumer Pi isn't lost for good, but this seems far from corporate greed, but a necessary concession during a global disaster.

[–] Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“When there were”, implying you can find a pi4 in stock right now that isn’t from a scalper

[–] girthero@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (15 children)

So are rentals scooters still popular in US cities or has that trend subsided? Last I heard people were getting fed up finding them everywhere, problems with vandals, etc.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

My city still has them. They get picked up every night and put at whatever corners or lots they gather them to.

Honestly in my experience anyone that's complained about them has no idea at all what they do or how they work, so anyone "fed up finding them everywhere" is simply ignorant 99% of the time. They're supposed to be everywhere lol that's the entire point.

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 40 points 1 year ago (7 children)

That’s all fine until they’re blocking sidewalks and access ways. Trying to push a stroller or wheelchair through the renta-scooter slalom course is horrible.

[–] ted@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In my city, we have strict parking designated zones and you have to take a photo. If it's left on the sidewalk or road, it won't let you end the trip, implies it will fine you, plus they'll send someone to move it.

[–] mac@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Likewise. I live in an extremely high foot traffic/high scooter traffic area (beach town in SoCal) and I very rarely see them anywhere outside of the designated zones.

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[–] RunningInRVA@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I guess that puts me in the 1%. I live in Richmond, VA. It’s a great city for scooters and on occasion I will rent one. That said, they really do literally litter the sidewalks. If I go for a run, I will 100% have to avoid scooters that have been improperly parked and are blocking the sidewalk. I feel bad for disabled people because sometimes the sidewalk is completely blocked for somebody in a wheelchair. There are too many of them for the demand. It can be quite annoying.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In my European city they're still popular but imho it's a grift to get money from investors with large pockets. I see brands popping out and go out of the market in 6 months. They just need to lose just the right amount of money in order to have the longest list of supported cities at the moment of raising capital. It's an application that's too expensive for every day use (1 euro unlock fee + 20 cents a minute in a city with a subway and extensive bus network???) but at the same time that ridiculous amount of money is clearly not enough to be sustainable. And they all use dark patterns. App forces you to register with email and sms verification just to see prices and you need to recharge credit that you might be never be able to use. Most they auto charge the credit card for 10 euro as soon as the credit goes under 5 euro.

Maybe the real money making activity is unusable credit in user accounts?

[–] Nanabaz2@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Not living in a city with these scooters but in a country that has 10+ different virtual wallets services. I can tell you 101% it's all about the credit sit in the customers' accounts that obviously easy but not straightforward to pull out and stay there a long long time.

It was never about the "convenience" for anyone. It's the same scheme of holding people's credit.

[–] Aasikki@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah the pricing only makes sense for occasional use, yet of course they market it for your daily commutes as well. It would cost me about 5€ to ride to work with those, another 5€ to ride back, which would total something like 100€ per month.

I just bought my own instead as, it's a fun, practical and cheap way to commute if you own your own. I can easily carry it with me to my apartment so it doesn't get stolen and costs next to nothing to use compared to a car.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, for commutes don't make any sense

I got a 60 min coupon to try the service, to go home I take the subway then I choose between bus + 2 min walk or just 10 minutes walk. With the scooter I can do it in 5 minutes but:

  1. It took one minute to unlock

  2. I could be fined as my city requires all riders to have an helmet

  3. It takes 5+ minutes to lock because the app is "smart" and uses ai to see from a picture if you parked it correctly. No signal or bad lighting makes the photo unclear? Try to park in a different neighborhood...

So I pay 2 euro for do the same route in the same time that I would take by foot. Not good for commutes, not good for short routes, not good for long routes

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

I can't say anything about US cities, but they are all over the place in Canadian cities(or at least they are where I live)

[–] Deadsheep@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

My city still has them. They're pretty widely used, but I think we're a good scenario for them. Our sidewalks aren't cramped, we're a very spread out city, and our public transit isn't stellar.

[–] Mars2k21@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I live in a major US city, and yes they are still everywhere and being used. Here they have an actual use since walkability isn't the best, and at worse are just a nuisance with the way they block parts of the sidewalk and can be left anywhere with little consequence.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

They didn't last where I live, but my mother lives in a town about an hour away (Bloomington, Indiana) which still has them, and they appear to be popular.

[–] shatteredsteel@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

They took them out of my small town, mostly due to the company (I think it was Bird in our area) not picking them up for weeks on end.

I'm personally glad they're gone, too many douche canoes leaving them in the handicapped parking spots and on the walking trails. Finally had to lodge a complaint with the company when we found a bunch of them in front of the ER at my workplace...not like we have people who have mobility issues going in there or anything.

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[–] Wats0ns@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait, a company can just decide to abandon hundreds of their hardware in the middle the streets?

[–] gressen@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Privatized profits, socialized loses.

[–] amanaftermidnight@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Corporations be like:
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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Companies can just dump shit wherever when they're done with it and have no responsibility to clean it up?

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[–] amanaftermidnight@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's go shuck some scoots, boys!

[–] billygoat@catata.fish 2 points 1 year ago

That was my first thought, get a few of them and create yourself a scootermox cluster 😂

[–] Grass@geddit.social 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can you just take apart abandoned things for parts in the states? Probably just have to be a white male and no problems?

[–] skwerls@waveform.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably, who is gonna come after you? The company has decided it is too expensive to repossess them.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lime still seems to be doing business in Austin. Not sure about the other brands.

[–] y2k@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

They’re somewhat popular in Milwaukee, WI too

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