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[–] Brustadnrift@lemm.ee 149 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Man, this is depressing. While I wasn’t “raised online” since I was raised on dialup and couldn’t block the phone line all that long.

I still remember when google was the new kid on the block and the general feeling about them across early Internet forums.

Microsoft was evil because they copied everybody else’s stuff and wanted to charge for it. Apple was clueless making expensive junk. Sun was a darling for a while at least until they started pulling shit.

Enter mother-fucking-Google. Ethical. Honest. Not evil. Smart. Supporting open source. And on top of all that, FREE to use. Like Microsoft wants to charge you for hotmail if you want an inbox > 2MB? Fucking EVIL!!! Google is ethical because they are completely free!!! And I hear they are working on an email service too. Google just wants to shepherd the internet and protect it from companies like Microsoft, Apple, and AOL.

Oh Google.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 66 points 1 year ago (4 children)

A company that survives long enough eventually gets turned to the dark $ide. Greedy asshats will always ruin a good thing for their own benefit

[–] kittenbridgeasteroid@discuss.tchncs.de 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Any company that becomes publicly traded gets turned to the dark side. That's the factor that does it because they have a legal requirement to do everything they can to maximize profits.

Trying to sustain perpetual growth will always lead to companies fucking over their customers and employees.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While I feel this is true there are so few privately owned companies that prove this as fact. Holds breath that steam never fucks over its customers

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I live Valve, but there's always that nagging bit in the back of my mind reminding me that they can always turn evil in the span of a few years. And the recent debacle with Dolphin doesn't help

[–] TALL421@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Dolphin isn't really their fault though. That all comes down to the developers and Nintendo. The outcome sucks either way

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[–] THED4NIEL@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The biggest problem in my opinion is, when companies stop to be companies and instead turn into glorified money trees whose only purpose is to shake all value from, value generated by the people who have to work there.

Once a company sells its soul to investors, it becomes nothing more than a human in the Matrix: a thing to harvest, to be kept alive until nothing of value remains, then thrown aside and disposed.

Source: I speak from experience, worked at one investor-driven enterprise and one that is listed on exchanges

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[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

'You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Being good is good for growth, but investors eventually want that payout.

[–] Brustadnrift@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Google also had, realistically, no competition in the online ads business for most of that time. Microsoft tried so hard but never broke into that market. No other online ad company could even come close to google 2000-2010 in terms of scale, technical chops, etc.

It’s easy to have principals, it’s hard to live up to them. The first real competitor to Google’s online ads dominance was Facebook and has caused Google to completely shit the bed (from practices and policy, they’re obviously doing well money wise)

[–] johnthedoe@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago

Google was so exciting. Gmail especially.

We were so keen to ditch yahoo messenger and msn as soon as facebook messenger came out too.

Now it all sucks.

[–] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago

Google didn't have a plan to keep from becoming evil. They just had a cute motto.

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[–] TacticsConsort@yiffit.net 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Shoutout to Deviantart, they a real one

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[–] Gallardo994@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Pornhub taught me I'm picky af

[–] Krackalot@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pornhub taught me people like incest. Maybe it's related to game of thrones?

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It is just mindless pursuit of the forbidden for algorithm cheering reasons. And then you need to have had hot sisters to lust after growing up. With so many one children families you end up with a relatively small proportion of the population that could even care.

On the other hand, adding one incest adjacent keywords to the title, if it means 3% more clicks they'll do it

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[–] Steak@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Pornhub prob made you picky. Be less picky it's great.

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[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All of this led to me ditching all of those (except YouTube, this is without a real alternative due to the content exclusively hosted there) and starting to self-host my stuff and joining the Fediverse.

[–] festemmie@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

you can use invidious or piped on PC and newpipe on a phone. just be careful cause i heard google removed newpipe from the playstore and someone put something malicious with the same name, but im not sure how that situation is going

[–] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago

You can still get NewPipe on F-Droid.

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[–] jlou@mastodon.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

To have some sort of viable fediverse alternative to YouTube, the developers of it would have to abandon some of the free software principles that current fediverse platforms uphold. There needs to be a way to monetize to attract creators and get people to host the servers

[–] miniu@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Free in software should stand for freedom, not money. We need better ways for financing such software projects and creators making content on them.

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[–] voidavoid@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Someone's underestimating the age of the internet.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah but...ordinary people were not dialing into BBS forums back then. We weren't "raised" online like kids now are, we were able to log off anytime and not ever need it to function in society. That started changing in the early 2000s. All my kid's school assignments are now done on a laptop on a district-owned cloud system. He hasn't needed a pencil and paper in...I forgot how long.

If you're around my age, congratulations on being the last generation to ever know what the world was like before widespread use of the Internet.

If you're around my age, congratulations on being the last generation to ever know what the world was like before widespread use of the Internet.

This is why I always insist that the cutoff between millenial and Gen Z is 1995. There's a pretty obvious generational split along this topic and 1995 seems to be the birth year of the divide

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Eh. But what does it mean to be raised online? I think for that you need the availability of ever present internet connections in the form of mobile devices. I think the first kids raised online would have been born in 2003, and would have been 4, preschool age, in 2007 when the iPhone came out. Those kids are 16 now. If we want to set the standard for "raised online" as being "digital native" then I think we should dial back the range to when AIM was popular. Again, setting the standard for who could have been raised with that constant interconnectedness as being someone who was 4 at time of introduction would give us the first AIM connected people reaching age 30 right now.

The reality is, I think, in the middle. The first generation we could say was raised online is basically right in between those two ages, 23. The other standard we could try to set is, who is the first generation who doesn't remember the internet as exciting, just instead a daily part of life

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[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Seriously, Eternal September was like 30 years ago.

[–] Vigge93@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's fair to say that those in their late teens now are the first generation raised online. Sure, previous generations where raised alongside the internet, but the current generation is raised with a much larger presence of the internet.

[–] JonVonBasslake@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Nah, the zoomers are IMO the second generation to grow up with the internet. Sure it's even more present for them and gen alpha, but I'd argue us millennials are the ones who first really grew up with the net. While we weren't on the net all the time back then, we were the generation that grew up with the net as it became what it is today, for better or for worse.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah I’m 28 and was consuming memes in middle school. I was not aware at any point where the default solution to a question was anything other than to look it up on the internet when you get home. I quit Facebook in high school.

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[–] thenofootcanman@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jesus what was the original version of this?

[–] Crozekiel@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

One of these things is not like the other...

DeviantArt really caught me off guard... lol

[–] xerazal@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 year ago (15 children)

This is what neoliberalism does. It privatizes everything, including the individual. Everyone is a product. Everyone has a "brand".

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[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I need to log into my old deviantArt account again. Those were fun times.

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[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which generation? Im 36 and i was definitely raised online.

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[–] Roundcat@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Vine taught me you're worthless unless you're making someone else money.

Sounds like it prepared you for the world economy

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i cannot escape YouTube at all for sure and i do want to use instagram sometimes + GIB VINE

[–] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 10 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Use YouTube.com in firefox with u-block origin. Works well enough while not giving them ad revenue.

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[–] KeefChief12@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Let vine rest easy

[–] Gnubyte@lemdit.com 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People are so quick to forget. Back when Netflix came out it's appeal was offering movies for viewing online. People scoffed at it because TV was king and Netflix wasn't on TV yet, smart TVs weren't a thing and Roku had to be built as a middleman. "Why would I pay for that". No one believed in the products in the way that people believe in Netflix and YouTube or Google or even twitter today.

Today every tv is smart, YouTube has a YouTube TV app, all these media companies have their own apps like paramount and ESPN, and people are willing to pay.

[–] broguy89@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you high? Netflix wasn't online, it was DVDs through the mail that you kept until you were ready for new ones. After its online became far more popular than the legacy service, people were still pissed when they announced they were going to stop the DVD mail, even when they stopped using that original service.

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