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“We will not stop calling out and fighting back against extremist, so-called leaders who try to prevent our children from learning our true and full history,” the vice president said in Florida.

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[–] MicroWave@lemmy.world 196 points 1 year ago (3 children)

“They attempt to legitimize these unnecessary debates with a proposal that most recently came in of a politically motivated roundtable,” Harris said in her afternoon speech at the 20th Women’s Missionary Society of the African Methodist Episcopal Church Quadrennial Convention in Orlando. “Well, I’m here in Florida, and I will tell you there is no roundtable, no lecture, no invitation we will accept to debate an undeniable fact. There were no redeeming qualities of slavery.”

Makes sense to me.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@sh.itjust.works 79 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Honestly debating these people is completely pointless and should be seen as such. They're not going to argue in good faith and they will just continue to create statements that are inarguable due to confounded bullshit. Word salad after preposterous nonsense.

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[–] joe@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can we step back for a second and just soak up the fact that it's 2023 and some presidential candidates still want to debate the benefits of owning humans?

I know MLK Jr said

The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice

But man, that arc seems so long that a flat earther would deny there's a curve at all.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A white racist piece of shit wants to debate the vice president who is a black woman. I sure thought we had made progress over the last 50 years, but of course we haven't.

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[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

She kinda has a point... debating him just legitimizes his views.

[–] Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 130 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Never give a fascist a platform.

[–] keeb420@kbin.social 38 points 1 year ago

There's only one platform fascist deserve. A platform that's gonna drop out from under them, good thing they have a rope or they'd fall to the ground.

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[–] wwaxwork@lemmy.world 118 points 1 year ago (11 children)

The only correct response, you don't bargain with terrorists. Her turning up and debating it legitimises it like it's an actual educational option and not lies.

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[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

Good. There no “debating” with these fascists. They are only looking to bang the table to legitimize their fucked up fantasies.

This is the same reason we don’t “debate” benefits and harms of genocide. DeSpicable.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And now the clowns will say: “See! They’re scared!” And jerk each other off while watching Trump’s 2016 inaugural speech.

[–] mindbleach@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (16 children)

The nature of bad faith is that there is no right answer.

Any turn of events somehow bolsters their claim, because their worldview is unfalsifiable nonsense. It is not even wrong.

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[–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think we learned our lesson with Bill Nye vs Ken Hamm. There is no good faith to be had, only a megaphone.

[–] golamas1999@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (18 children)

I feel awful giving him money but I went to that “museum” in 2014 with my dad and sister. We thought it be an interesting place to go and learn to drive on my learners permit. We are Atheist Jews.

What I learned while I was there (sarcastically, I know the place is all propaganda for their Kool-Ade).

In their astronomy video they specifically say that a light year is the distance light travels in a year. The way they get around the universe being bigger than 6000 light is with the explanation: gravitational time dilation and anisotropic synchrony.

They said lack of god lead to teen boys watching porn and playing GTA. Then they will commit school shootings.

Girls will get pregnant and get abortions. Then they feel bad and commit suicide.

Adam and Eve lived in the tropics with dinosaurs and penguins and all ate pineapple.

Eve at the Apple committing the original sim by defying god and set subservience to man.

Velociraptors were on the arc.

Continental drift and all the super continents broke apart and back together multiple times when the world was flooded for a year.

On the arc they brought one kind of animal and once they went free then they split off into different species.

Separation of church and state is discriminatory against Christians.

Allowing evolution thought in public schools was an assault on Christianity.

Atheism leads to poverty, hunger, famine, drought, war, death, slavers, insert any horrible thing and atheism is to blame.

They had a whole bunch of finches to show Darwin was wrong.

… It was an interesting experience. The dioramas had a lot of work. The miniatures were neat.

The whole place made me angry and frustrated. Especially once they used Carl Sagan’s name to prove their baseless ideology he specifically spoke against shit like this.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think we learned our lesson with Bill Nye vs Ken Hamm

"what would it take for you to change your mind?"

Nye: "evidence"

Hamm: "nothing can change my mind"


How do you move forward from that point?

I think we learned our lesson with Bill Nye vs Ken Hamm

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[–] Neato@kbin.social 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Don't debate DeSantis. Ever. He does not deserve the legitimacy. I thought Trump was bad, and he was. But Trump is an imbecile who used money and likely being a traitor to his country to flounder to success. DeSantis knows he's an ignorant, evil piece of shit and is using all his limited ability to hurt people in order to curry favor with like-minded bigots. Fuck him, he's a nobody. Trump has contributed exactly 1 good thing to this world, and that's Meatball Ron.

[–] NewEnglandRedshirt@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, what's worse is that DeSantis isn't ignorant. He knows exactly what he's doing.

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago

Exactly. Which is more reason to not even acknowledge his hateful rhetoric.

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[–] HellAwaits@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Why would she waste her time with a ridiculous position to begin with?

That's like someone wanting to debate the earth is flat. It's a waste of time.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

They should debate on how to pronounce 'Thai food.' Harris would win.

[–] owf@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can someone provide some context? What new standards are they talking about?

[–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Florida passed some laws about how you have to talk about the “good things” slaves got out of the whole involuntary bondage deal.

[–] 1chemistdown@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Yes, all the life skills and on the job training they received for free. The black employees who walked off the job with their employer’s intellectual property to go out and take over those industries with the knowledge they gained. You see, the civil war was about protecting IP and the stupid north was just stealing all the IP by allowing the former employees to set up shop. /s

[–] owf@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wut? What on earth do they think slaves got out of it? Unparalleled job security?

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