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Previously on Lemmy:

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Well, as promised, we are talking foldable this week. The excitement is palpable, and it looks like the rest of our mod team have already started the conversation here. Go check it out.

I honestly don't know very much about foldable phones, so I'll let the rest of our (very smart and knowledgeable) mod team handle this one this week. :)

Last thing for future reference at the end of the week, we also have a great thread discussing foldables here too, go check it out if you want more great discussions.

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[–] jordanlund@kbin.social 87 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Foldable screens, to me, seem to be a recipe for disaster. Another point of failure.

Flip phones like from Star Trek are awesome though!

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I really need to go watch Star Trek. Seems popular here.

[–] Holodeck_Moriarty@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

I'm personally loving how much Trek is on Lemmy. There's even a star trek based instance.

[–] Jarmer@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks. Both amazing! Especially SNW. Absolutely loving this season, I honestly want to go back and rewatch all the current eps as they release.

[–] visak@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"His Delta is also a communicator. You just tap it."

"But flipping it open is the best part."

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[–] Holodeck_Moriarty@lemm.ee 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't trust it not to break.

Also they're wildly expensive.

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I felt the same but my wife got one over a year back and so far the only issue has been needing to replace the screen protector where it loses adhesion and starts to create a "bubble" towards the center of the device.

Bigger issue for me is that - unfolded - it's a bit harder to protect with bumpers, and my experience with mechanical "clamshell" anything tends towards that part going over time

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[–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Had a Z Fold 4 for a couple of months now and i dont ever want to go back. It feels great in the hand when closed and it is awesome to have a much larger screen available at any time. Crease isnt very noticable on it

[–] flipht@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My husband has a zfold. Same feedback after a few months, but recently the screen has finally started having issues at the crease. He's extremely careful with it, so this is definitely a phone thing and not just a use thing.

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[–] robotrash@lemmy.robotra.sh 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Had one since launch, first foldable. Zero issues with the interior screen/crease. People need to remember you'll hear about the issues, you won't hear about people just enjoying their device normally.

I disagree with people who say the inside screen is useless. For one, I use it to share pics with family because it's easier for multiple people to view. I also use it for watching videos, it's quite nice.

I am also a remote sys admin. I use the inside screen for RDP/ssh sessions to remote machines for quick weekend maintenance. I will never go back.

[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Manufacturers are being forced to make their phones last longer with sensible things like replaceable batteries, so they're coming up with fresh designed obsolescence by adding things that will wear and tear to keep everyone spending $1-2k every couple of years.

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[–] pallettownbry@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I love foldable phones and can't wait for more manufacturers to hop on board. I have owned every iteration of the Samsung Z Fold series, Z Flip series, and Surface Duo series, and I am now rocking the Pixel Fold.

This form factor that Google adopted is the way to go. A shorter, wider aspect ratio on the outer display makes for an excellent phone experience while allowing you to unfold the device into a proper mini tablet in landscape orientation. I never enjoyed the narrow screen on the Z Fold lineup, so I opened the phone to do almost everything. With the Pixel Fold, I open the phone up only for specific things, such as showing someone else content on my phone, reading, or watching videos.

The biggest issue with foldables is that everyone seems to worry about the device's durability, which is understandable. I have never had an issue, and I don't baby foldable phones more than I would a standard slab. I also think the pricing of foldable is a massive turn-off for many folks. Last, many people either refuse to understand the "point" of foldable devices or simply don't. For example, with me saying that I use the Pixel Fold closed most of the time, some would say, "What's the point if you're not going to use the inner display?". The point with foldables is that you get options. You don't have to use the phone as a tablet 24/7. At that point, you might as well just get a small tablet. Foldables are supposed to give you a phone experience first while giving you instant access to a larger screen capable of light multitasking and better media consumption experiences than your traditional phone. The beauty of a folding device is that you get the best of both worlds all the time, and you decide how you want to divide your time between the outer and inner displays.

Long comment, but hey, I love foldables, and I will keep buying them. Unfortunately, I think it will take Apple releasing a foldable before they become mainstream :(

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[–] ljdawson@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

After my flip 3 broke not so positive.

[–] Gamey@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Expensive, fragile and rather useless unless you plan to replace your computer and in that case you just made a bad decition. I think it's a very desperate attempt to hype yet another generation of smartphones no one needs with a gimmick becuase sales go down.

[–] dunestorm@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I replaced my tablet, I can't replace my PC so easily lol

Now I always have my tablet with me in the form factor of a phone. I wouldn't call foldables useless, I love multitasking and consuming media on a large screen!

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[–] Mojojojo1993@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Not interested in expensive gimmicks. How does it improve the experience? Now a phone that is a snap bracelet. Lives on my wrist. Sign me up.

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[–] rockyrikoko@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fold phones fix a problem I don't have. The tech is interesting, but irrelevant to me

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[–] Fubar91@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Just another possible point of failure with no real upside, beside the ability to slam it shut while on a call when angry like it is 2005 again.

Cosmetically the screen creases would anoy me.

Only use case I see valuable would be easier portability of larger screen formats. But I really never use a tablet to begin with.

I'm sure the tech will go towards better curved displays like monitors,tvs, and VR headset optics. Which are some things i maybe interested in using.

But at this point I feel it's more gimmick than anything.

[–] InfiniteFlow@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Seem like one of the shitttiest ideas out there, done just for the sake of novelty. If you’re lucky you’ll get creases and bad touch responsiveness. If you’re not, it is the most obvious point of failure due to mechanical stress. I could perhaps get behind “rollable” screens or the like (no hard crease), if they prove reliable.

Edit: spelling

[–] Gerryflap@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I definitely understand that there is a market for it, but personally I'm not interested. They're expensive, vulnerable, and I have no need for a screen like that. The high prices and vulnerability were excusable in the first few generations, but I feel like we should've advanced further by now. I wonder how many people really use one.

[–] Zerfallen@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Foldables are basically the opposite of what I want: a small slab flagship phone, maybe 5" would be ideal. I don't want it to become huge at any point.

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[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

All phones that cost that much are dumb. Just get a computer instead and your money goes a lot farther to get screens and computing power.

$200-300 is about all I'll be willing to spend for any phone. I don't care what the features are that the expensive phones have, unless it's got some kind of alien laser technology that can do stuff that computers can't. For my price range I can have a great Pixel with GrapheneOS and that's about all I want.

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[–] amelia@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

As a woman with tiny pockets I'm considering switching from my (already small) S22 to a Flip-type foldable phone just to not have my phone poke into my hip bone every time I sit down.

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[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

To me they are necessary evil. I currently have Fold4 and use it as a replacement for my laptop since I have to be available 24/7 or close to that. I grew tired of lugging my laptop everywhere, which admittedly is very lightweight but charger, bag, accessories and the rest are not. So I decided to give Fold + bluetooth keyboard a shot at replacing my laptop which worked and I can get away with 85-90% of my work from my phone. Not as comfortable as laptop or desktop, but it'll do.

Biggest downsides are that I can't use my phone (easily) for navigation. One would think with such big screen that would be even easier, but naah. Mounting foldable phone is near impossible. It can be done in a car where you just buy tablet mount and you are good, but I don't drive a car.

For me it's been a game of tradeoffs. I gain some, lose some. At times it's awesome on other times it's annoying. Big screen and pen come very handy when signing documents for work or giving instructions to developers by drawing on screen shots. At the same time it's heavy and bulky. Note series from Samsung was pretty much spot on what I needed, but they turned that into S2x Ultra, which I think would be too big for me, but I might change my opinion.

Everything else am fine with and I can get use to weight and all. Samsung needs to do few things for me to be happy. Pen needs to fit in the phone itself, lugging it around as addon to your phone case is not an option. Make a slim case which grips corners only like they did with S7 Edge series, this would solve all of my mounts and protection problems. Weight loss would be welcome but I can live with that.

[–] AnonymousLlama@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm still not sold on the displays. Every time I've seen one the promise has always been "the screen is better", but when eventually I get hands on with them all I see is a massive crease in the middle and I can't unsee it

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[–] abalboa3@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been using my Pixel Fold for almost 2 weeks, and I love it. Actually using the new Sync app to write this and it looks beautiful on the inner screen.

I have used the Fold3 since launch (still have it), an iPhone 14 Pro Max, and Galaxy s23U over this past year as well. The iPhone I used for a couple of months and face it to my wife. While I know I'm still in the honeymoon period, I really enjoy using my Pixel Fold.

The Pixel Fold is exactly what I wanted from a folding phone. When closed it's the perfect size for using it like a regular phone. I really liked the size of the Pixel 6a and iPhone Xs and the PF when closed is similar to those. Obviously, a little heavier and slightly thicker. Once you open it, you have a nice mini tablet for consuming media or running 2 apps together.

My battery life has been great, performance has been stellar, cameras are also fantastic. I wish more apps were optimized for the inner screen like Sync, but even if they're not I can rotate it or run 2 apps.

I know people worry about durability, for good reason, the Fold3 that I've had for almost 2 years has done great so far. I've had to get the inner screen protector replaced twice, but other than that it's still hanging in there.

It will be great when the prices start coming down. I think with Google and Motorola really moving into this class it will help drive the price down. It will be nice when more people have the option of foldables, it'll force developers to optimize for them.

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[–] RobotToaster@infosec.pub 10 points 1 year ago

I'd rather have a hinged physical keyboard.

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What I want a phone to be:

  • Thick with a (reasonable) bezel, so I can grab it easily and not activate the touchscreen at the edges of the screen
  • Reasonably usable with one hand
  • Sturdy, somewhat shock-proof and waterproof
  • As serviceable / repairable as possible
  • Long battery life (not use time, life of battery before it needs replacing)
  • Built to last

Basically everything a foldable phone isn't.

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[–] zerosignal@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

I'm interested but am waiting to let the technology mature some more, and let the price come down.

[–] Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I went to the Samsung™ store and fondled their latest foldable phones lineup. Even on the demo models, you could clearly see the crease. It will only get worse as you use it. I think there is a market for folding phones but as separate screens, i.e. 2 or more panels side by side. If you gonna have a crease, might as well separate the screens.

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[–] rexwave@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago

Honestly, biggest deal breaker for me is the crease. When looking at it straight on, it's not the worst, but it's so jarring when you see it warp the screen and your finger runs across it. Not even to mention that it's bound to have a giant line or even a crack run down it the more you fold it. Sure the price tag is steep, but if they somehow manage to fix or improve that issue, I could see it as a viable option.

[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I think they're cool as a technical feat, but I'd be far too worried about breaking it to ever buy one. The fact that the crease is visible even on brand new devices looks like a disaster waiting to happen.

[–] Llamajockey@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Had the Razr 5g, got it new for $600 through a T-Mobile offer. Loved the OS, very similar to pixels. Loved how small it was in my pocket. It became super easy to use daily but.... On month 9 a line appeared on my display, that night my phones battery died and upon reboot whole inside screen was messed up. The phone other wise looks pristine, and I have a case that protects it. I never dropped it either. Their one year warranty conveniently does not cover the screen and repair was $950 through Motorola. After arguing the did issue a discount and the phone would cost $750 to repair...when you could get a brand new one on their site for $600 at the time. Ridiculous.

Never buying Motorola again. Might try the Samsung flip in a few years once the tech is solid and affordable.

[–] MooseBoys@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Dumb. But I also thought smartphones without keyboards were dumb and look where we are now.

[–] giantfloppycock@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think it’s one of the dumbest new “features” I’ve seen on a phone since… I actually can’t remember anything worse right now.

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[–] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I tried the Fold3, and had it back under warranty 3 times, until Samsung opted to replace it. They replaced it with a Fold4 (which was nice) in beige (which wasn't nice).

So I sold it and got a Pixel 7 Pro, and I couldn't be happier.

Honestly, foldable screen tech still needs a lot more maturity, IMHO. It was actually a relief to switch back to a phone where my heart didn't miss a beat every time I opened it, or heard the creak/crack sound when closing it. It was honestly pretty stressful, wondering if each day was the day I'd join the long list of people with busted screens through no fault of their own.

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[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 9 points 1 year ago

Partner has the z flip4 and is very happy with it.

Although the folding mechanism on the first one seized up. When it was forced open, the pixels on the crease turned off.

Took it back to the retailer and they swapped it on the spot. They were out of 256GB versions, so they provided the 512GB one instead. As the price of them had dropped a lot since purchase, the store gave $250 cash back for the difference.

[–] breakerfall@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a Surface Duo 1 and I really think they got the form factor right, as opposed to the folding glass one-big-screen types. The SD also folds backwards so you don't need (to pay for) three screens. Also, most of the functionality of the Pixel Fold is shown off as multitasking two apps side by side, which is exactly the power user use case the SD was made for.

IMO two-screen side-by-side folders could be down to $1K at this point if they didn't all employ fragile bending glass and superfluous outer displays.

Also, I like the idea of a Flip... again, without a big outer display. Give me e-ink on the outside or something for the clock and message previews -- I'll open the phone if I need to anyway.

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[–] bappity@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

foldables are really cool but pretty fragile

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[–] sup@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

I am really interested in getting one, but I'm planning to hold off until the cameras improve and reach flagship levels. Right now, that's the only drawback, and the price of course.

[–] nehal3m@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They seem extremely difficult to repair so it's a hard pass from me.

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Too expensive.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Bah. I just want one of these.

[–] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Cool gimmick, but I’m gonna wait till all the kinks are worked out (or at least, all the major ones). Right now, I just don’t care enough to buy an unreliable phone with a hinge.

I used to have a clam phone when I was a kid and I love the idea of a foldable phone now.

But I wouldn't buy one any time soon - the idea of a hinged phone and screen just sounds far to vulnerable to wear and tear. As soon as you start adding moving parts you increase the risk of failure.

It's a great concept but at the moment it's a superfluous luxury and as they're so expensive then the cost of a breakage is just too much to tolerate. As the technology and manufacturing improves and/or becomes cheaper I might get one. But at present I don't want to risk buying a very expensive phone that could break in such a basic way as a hinged phone and folding screen could.

[–] kratoz29@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I like the concept, but I don't think we have endurable hardware for that yet... And I can't afford them anyway.

I just hope they don't end up like many of those interesting Android promises that go nowhere.

I like the idea, but they're way out of my price range and easier to break too.

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